ha-thats just what ive always wanted to allen!!! , a fake babe ruth autographed ball!! look at the oldnewspaper pic card grader i just found and put a link up for, crooks everywhere! randy
He has it listed in the wrong category, but other than that, why would it get pulled? There is a category on eBay for reprint/repro autos which he clearly describes it as so.
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE! glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
Bob
ebay seller name milbroco email bcmiller7@comcast.net
There is a difference in reproduction photos of autographs and a fraudulent signature. You can sell copies of a photo that was signed by Babe Ruth, but you cannot buy a stack of Babe Ruth photos and start signing them in REAL INK !
He is selling it as a "reproduction" and states so 5 times within the auction. I see no fraud. He isn't trying to mislead anybody. He leaves no doubt that the ball isn't real. The auction is what it is and clearly states so. After all, isn't a ball with a fascimilie signature the same thing? Whether the signature is applied with a stamp or by written by hand, aren't they both "real ink?" Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't give $2.00 for it, but I see no wrong with what he's doing since he describes it the way he did.
So there would be no problem with somebody selling a gun, glass-cutter, mask, and duffle bag and selling them as "Robbery Tools"? If somebody's paying this kind of coin for a fake auto, he's not doing it to keep it and the seller has to know that. Selling something like this is promoting dishonesty within the marketplace and is pretty irresponsible. Even if you have no control over what people do with stuff, you can at least keep fake stuff out of circulation to prevent others from trying to pass it on as legit. It's the same as selling counterfeit 52 Mantle's by the brick and saying theyre counterfeits in the listing. Well, what do you think a guy is gonna do with 500 fake Mantle's?
That has to be one the most ridiculous responses I've ever heard. Are you serious? What the buyer does once he receives it is of no concern to the seller.
If I sell you an ExMt card and describe it as ExMt, but you get it and trim it so that it appears to be NM, would that in any way be my fault?
Just look at that other thread from earlier today where the seller sold a PSA 3 T206 to someone and the buyer cracked and re-submitted it, sent it in and it came back a 4. The original seller was complaining about it and everybody put him in his place because it was no longer his to complain about. My point is, what the buyer decides to do with it is beyond the seller's control.
If you walk in Walgreens and buy all the ingredients to cook up some crystal meth, is that Walgreens fault? You can say whatever you want, but when I read the word "reproduction" 5 times in a listing, I get the picture. I think most others do to. If some schmuck wants to bid $250.00 (or more) on it , then hooray to the seller.
It sounds like a story to me, but the seller states that the person who he bought it from sold it to him as a repro and now he's decribing it as a repro. What the buyer does after that is not his responsibility.
Search eBay by "T206 Honus Wagner PSA" and 3 reprints come up. Is this dishonest too? There are repros in every single ebay category. Repro art, clothes, jewelry, cars, coins, etc. and eBay has MANY reprint/repro autographs. Just because this is sports memobibilia makes it wrong? What's the difference? If there wasn't a market for it, there wouldn't be an eBay category for it. As long as it is described as such, there is nothing legally, morally or ethically wrong about it.
Some items are dangerous to have in the marketplace. Things like a fake Babe Ruth auto'd ball are one of them. If you can't see that, well I guess I don't know what to tell you.
There's a market for crackpipes too, but that's not really a good thing. But hey, it's not the seller's responsibility what the buyer does with it, right?
Hell, I could practice Ruth's auto til I get it down, buy as many 1930s baseballs I can get my hands on and go to town, list them as fakes and make $100 a pop on them, but there's a reason I'm not doing that.
So the whole Marino family scam a few years back was ok? The guy who signed the items did not sell them as authentic and the guy who bought them from him knew they were fake. So all those items he signed and supplied to a dealer were ok, all of the people who got screwed out of a total of millions of dollars was ok. If I list an add in SMR that reads "Can sign any item just like the athlete, real ink, very high quality. Reproduction" Do you think anyone would have a problem with it? If I submit a Lou Gehrig ball to PSA/DNA and it comes back as not authentic should i sell it on ebay as a reproduction, very close to the original.
P.S.- Just a guess, your a lawyer? Court appointed? You seem to have a passion for defending the bad guys.
i have to agree with lee.. the guy selling it is too chicken chit to make a large killing..but he knows there are others who will sell it. so he figures what the heck i'll sell it to a scam artist and i'll still make a little cheese. the seller knows what he is doing. and thats simply aiding a scammer who will turn around and sell it for a larger sum. its the sellers way of scamming without all the bull that may come with it.
Signatures can be forged on all kinds of things. You can't stop selling everything just because everything has the potential to be sold as memorabilia when it really is just junk.
I'm all for the community being vigilant and certainly the punishment should be SEVERE for those who attempt to sell fraudulent merchandise of any kind. But how are you going to get mad at the guy who honestly sells to the guy who might dishonestly sell?!? Wait for someone to do something wrong before you punish them.
<< <i>There's a market for crackpipes too, but that's not really a good thing. But hey, it's not the seller's responsibility what the buyer does with it, right? >>
thats why i have to call bongs "tobacco pipes" or "water pipes" when i visit my local head shop.. because they don't sell bongs, just water pipes..
<< <i>So there would be no problem with somebody selling a gun, glass-cutter, mask, and duffle bag and selling them as "Robbery Tools"? If somebody's paying this kind of coin for a fake auto, he's not doing it to keep it and the seller has to know that. Selling something like this is promoting dishonesty within the marketplace and is pretty irresponsible. Even if you have no control over what people do with stuff, you can at least keep fake stuff out of circulation to prevent others from trying to pass it on as legit. It's the same as selling counterfeit 52 Mantle's by the brick and saying theyre counterfeits in the listing. Well, what do you think a guy is gonna do with 500 fake Mantle's? >>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Abso-frigin-lutely . . . It will sit for a while , then someone will try to sell it as an authentic piece to someone less Edgeicated <~~~ .
This stuff should all be burned !
Having said that . . . It looks like it could have been a facsimile baseball traced over in " Real Ink "
I like where someone asked , does anyone know where I can buy some fake ink .
Selling a fake auto as a fake to me is ok only if somewhere on the piece it says not real or reproduction. This item was doctored up to look like it was made in the 30's. You know some scammer peed his pants when he saw this. Now to come up with the story....."My uncle was an umpire in the 30's and was given this ball. I don't know if it's real but he said it was etc......." If it was stamped repro on it no issues. Selling it like it was an authentic piece from the 30's is crap.
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
You keep using the word "fake." This ball is not a fake, it is a repro. You are confusing the two and there is a difference. A fake is defined as “not real”. If the seller were selling it as real, then it would be a fake. However, he is not. He is selling it as a repro.
If you are going to buy your fiancée an engagement ring, but don't have the money to spend on a real diamond so you buy her a cubic zirconium instead, is that a fake? No, you got exactly what was described to you. However, it you bought the SAME ring under the pretense that it was a real diamond, then that would be a "fake.” It’s not the item itself that differentiates between a “fake” and a repro. It is the way it is described. Using the above example, the same ring can be sold as a “fake” or a repro. There is no difference in this ball. At this point it is a repro - not authentic. However, if the new buyer wants to re-sell it as authentic, then it becomes a fake.
The ball is what it is. It is a good repro. Whether it was originally a facsimile ball that was traced over or someone that knows how to draw a really good Babe Ruth signature, it is clearly described as a repro, and a darn good one. If you know anything about Ruth sigs, then you have to admit that is about as close as it gets to an actual Ruth sig. And if some buyer wants to buy it and display it and tell all his buddies that it is real, then who is it hurting? I think it would make a cool display piece. Like, I said I wouldn’t pay $250.00 for it, but obviously somebody would.
Don’t waste you time trying to convince me. If you really believe that this seller is doing anything dishonest, report him to eBay. I think he’s done a real good job at advertising it for what it is and answering the questions accurately and posting those answers within his listing.
Is there the possibility that someone could get burned on this item down the road? Absolutely! However, once the buyer has received it, it is beyond the seller’s control what he does with it. If that is what you really believe, then PM me with your address so that I can send you my 1983 Topps 1952 Reprint Set and my Capitol T206 reprint set. Those are fakes and if I ever decide to sell them, I wouldn’t want any buyer getting screwed by thinking that they were authentic. I’ll trust you to destroy them properly.
<< <i>Even if you have no control over what people do with stuff, you can at least keep fake stuff out of circulation to prevent others from trying to pass it on as legit. >>
vintagetoppsguy,
Listening to both sides of this discussion I thought I would jump in with some thoughts....
I am going to try and explain what Lee is saying or at least how I understand it.
I collected as a Kid, stopped in early 80's and just got back into the Hobby last summer. 2 of the first 3 cards I bought were Fakes. The hobby almost lost me before I ever got a chance to get back..How many other potential new collectors have been lost due to being scammed before they had a chance to "learn" about all the fraud/fakes/repro in the hobby.. We must all be good stewards of this Hobby or one day all those pieces of cardboard we have will be worth nothing b/c fraud/"the bad guys" have overtaken this Hobby.
.. One of the fakes was a 54 Bowman Williams... It is a very good repro.. I have destroyed it.. B/C I dont what some to get burned Like it did for $400.... Oh course this is not going to change the world, but I at least tried to do my part.
If someone is selling a Repro what harm is it to put a stamp on it as well saying it is a repro. Many of the reprint sets state they are reprints. It is so someone doenst get screwed.
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
Funny you should mention crackpipes. There was a store owner here recently arrested and sentenced to 5 years in prison for selling a small bag containing these items together.
Scouring pad, fake rose in glass tube, metal spoon and lighter. They were all sold together for like 3.00 in his store.
vintage- You're arguing semantics. In this case "reproduced" and "forged" are exactly the same. How he decides to word his auctions doesn't change what the item is. It's a fake Babe Ruth auto.
The fact is it's irresponsible to sell fake/counterfeit/reprinted items that will likely be resold as authentic. I'm not sure why you can't see that, but it's people like this seller that perpetuate the continuous flow of counterfits and forgeries in the hobby. Whether or not what they are doing is legal or whether they are disclosing all information about the item is irrelevant.
I will not continue to try and presuade you that selling this crap is irresponsible, just like I did not continue to explain why sniping is a more effective bidding strategy than putting in your max bid at the beginning of the auction in the other thread. All I can say is that you're living in your own world and I guess nobody can tell you anything. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were one of axtell's alt id's.
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE! glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
Bob >>
GRAMMAR...............love it.
"You must understand the difference in things that are similar, and the similarity of things that are different"
I understand what you and Lee are both trying to say. However, I do believe that there is a place in this hobby for reproductions. I have a Mastro T206 Honus Wagner that is a reprint. It displays very nicely with my other T206s. I don’t have the money for a real Wagner, but I have the next best thing. I also don’t have the money for a 1952 Topps set, but I have a reprint set, which is the next best thing. This hobby is full of reprint sets. The same thing applies with this ball. This hobby also has many reprint autos for people who can not afford the real thing - Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Lou Gehrig, etc. I think everybody is making a big deal about it because it looks so authentic - the signature looks EXACTLY like a Ruth, the ball is yellowed, shellacked, etc, just as you would expect on an authentic Babe Ruth signed ball. However, if it were a snow white, modern Major League Ball, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. What else would you want the seller to do to more accurately describe it as not being authentic? I don’t think he can do anymore than he has already done. It’s not like he said, “This may or may not be real. You decide” No, he used the word “repro” or “reproduction” 5 times within the listing. Again, I know what you are saying. Is there a way to stop it? I don’t have the answer. But if you use the logic that all repros should be destroyed to prevent fraud, then you must also come to the same conclusion that all unopened wax must be destroyed to prevent re-seals.
lee,
Again, if you think it is wrong, CONTACT EBAY! Real simple!
But if you use the logic that all repros should be destroyed to prevent fraud, then you must also come to the same conclusion that all unopened wax must be destroyed to prevent re-seals.
That is a fallacy of argumentation. I think Post Hoc Ergo Proctor Hoc? Anyway, in no way is opened material the same as a repro Ruth Ball. A more valid comparison would be if someone took one of the Mastro Wagners that you have yourself and sanded it, aged the paper, gave it back damage to remove the word "reprint" off it. Then took it and sold it as an repro but as close as you can get to the real thing card. The intent here is to make it look real no matter how much you say it's not the intent is to get people to bid higher because they might be able to dupe the next person in line.
Why go through all the trouble of shellacking a ball and making it appeared aged? He did say that he did not get a 3rd party's opinion on if it's fake, giving someone false hope that maybe he's wrong.
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
This is like selling reproduction drivers licenses to high school kids. Maybe more like selling weapons to Iran, it may not be you, but someone is gonna get "found in the alpes".
I see your side of the arguement. However, there are 2 sides to it. All I am saying is where do you draw the line with repros? What is the criteria for saying, "This is okay to list, but this is not." If you feel this is so bad, have you contacted eBay about it?
Please tell me why this auction should be banned and these auctions should not?
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE! glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
That ball is just begging for someone to pay a hefty sum and get ripped off...HARD, bottom line any "fake" signature ball should be stamped reprint in small letters on the back.
Do you honestly not see the difference between those two auctions?
It's sorta like The Supreme Court's decision on pornography. While there is no easy way to say definitively with a broad stroke that it is or isn't; however, I know it when I see it.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE! glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
Bob >>
GRAMMAR...............love it. >>
haha classic.
As far as the auction goes, who cares? He clearly states it's not real, does so many times, does so in the Q&A. Because it could be potentially sold to someone who might list it as real he can't sell it? Just seems like we are trying to regulate way too much.
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randy
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE!
glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz
And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
Bob
email bcmiller7@comcast.net
If I sell you an ExMt card and describe it as ExMt, but you get it and trim it so that it appears to be NM, would that in any way be my fault?
Just look at that other thread from earlier today where the seller sold a PSA 3 T206 to someone and the buyer cracked and re-submitted it, sent it in and it came back a 4. The original seller was complaining about it and everybody put him in his place because it was no longer his to complain about. My point is, what the buyer decides to do with it is beyond the seller's control.
If you walk in Walgreens and buy all the ingredients to cook up some crystal meth, is that Walgreens fault? You can say whatever you want, but when I read the word "reproduction" 5 times in a listing, I get the picture. I think most others do to. If some schmuck wants to bid $250.00 (or more) on it , then hooray to the seller.
It sounds like a story to me, but the seller states that the person who he bought it from sold it to him as a repro and now he's decribing it as a repro. What the buyer does after that is not his responsibility.
Search eBay by "T206 Honus Wagner PSA" and 3 reprints come up. Is this dishonest too? There are repros in every single ebay category. Repro art, clothes, jewelry, cars, coins, etc. and eBay has MANY reprint/repro autographs. Just because this is sports memobibilia makes it wrong? What's the difference? If there wasn't a market for it, there wouldn't be an eBay category for it. As long as it is described as such, there is nothing legally, morally or ethically wrong about it.
There's a market for crackpipes too, but that's not really a good thing. But hey, it's not the seller's responsibility what the buyer does with it, right?
Hell, I could practice Ruth's auto til I get it down, buy as many 1930s baseballs I can get my hands on and go to town, list them as fakes and make $100 a pop on them, but there's a reason I'm not doing that.
P.S.- Just a guess, your a lawyer? Court appointed? You seem to have a passion for defending the bad guys.
I agree stuff like this should be pulled.
Makes it too easy for someone to pick it up, then pass it off on some poor sucker who will believe it's real because it looks old.
Signatures can be forged on all kinds of things. You can't stop selling everything just because everything has the potential to be sold as memorabilia when it really is just junk.
I'm all for the community being vigilant and certainly the punishment should be SEVERE for those who attempt to sell fraudulent merchandise of any kind. But how are you going to get mad at the guy who honestly sells to the guy who might dishonestly sell?!? Wait for someone to do something wrong before you punish them.
<< <i>There's a market for crackpipes too, but that's not really a good thing. But hey, it's not the seller's responsibility what the buyer does with it, right?
>>
thats why i have to call bongs "tobacco pipes" or "water pipes" when i visit my local head shop.. because they don't sell bongs, just water pipes..
<< <i>So there would be no problem with somebody selling a gun, glass-cutter, mask, and duffle bag and selling them as "Robbery Tools"? If somebody's paying this kind of coin for a fake auto, he's not doing it to keep it and the seller has to know that. Selling something like this is promoting dishonesty within the marketplace and is pretty irresponsible. Even if you have no control over what people do with stuff, you can at least keep fake stuff out of circulation to prevent others from trying to pass it on as legit. It's the same as selling counterfeit 52 Mantle's by the brick and saying theyre counterfeits in the listing. Well, what do you think a guy is gonna do with 500 fake Mantle's? >>
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Abso-frigin-lutely . . .
It will sit for a while , then someone will try to sell it as an authentic piece to someone less Edgeicated <~~~
This stuff should all be burned !
Having said that . . . It looks like it could have been a facsimile baseball traced over in " Real Ink "
I like where someone asked , does anyone know where I can buy some fake ink .
Too funny . . .
You keep using the word "fake." This ball is not a fake, it is a repro. You are confusing the two and there is a difference. A fake is defined as “not real”. If the seller were selling it as real, then it would be a fake. However, he is not. He is selling it as a repro.
If you are going to buy your fiancée an engagement ring, but don't have the money to spend on a real diamond so you buy her a cubic zirconium instead, is that a fake? No, you got exactly what was described to you. However, it you bought the SAME ring under the pretense that it was a real diamond, then that would be a "fake.” It’s not the item itself that differentiates between a “fake” and a repro. It is the way it is described. Using the above example, the same ring can be sold as a “fake” or a repro. There is no difference in this ball. At this point it is a repro - not authentic. However, if the new buyer wants to re-sell it as authentic, then it becomes a fake.
The ball is what it is. It is a good repro. Whether it was originally a facsimile ball that was traced over or someone that knows how to draw a really good Babe Ruth signature, it is clearly described as a repro, and a darn good one. If you know anything about Ruth sigs, then you have to admit that is about as close as it gets to an actual Ruth sig. And if some buyer wants to buy it and display it and tell all his buddies that it is real, then who is it hurting? I think it would make a cool display piece. Like, I said I wouldn’t pay $250.00 for it, but obviously somebody would.
Don’t waste you time trying to convince me. If you really believe that this seller is doing anything dishonest, report him to eBay. I think he’s done a real good job at advertising it for what it is and answering the questions accurately and posting those answers within his listing.
Is there the possibility that someone could get burned on this item down the road? Absolutely! However, once the buyer has received it, it is beyond the seller’s control what he does with it. If that is what you really believe, then PM me with your address so that I can send you my 1983 Topps 1952 Reprint Set and my Capitol T206 reprint set. Those are fakes and if I ever decide to sell them, I wouldn’t want any buyer getting screwed by thinking that they were authentic. I’ll trust you to destroy them properly.
<< <i>Even if you have no control over what people do with stuff, you can at least keep fake stuff out of circulation to prevent others from trying to pass it on as legit. >>
vintagetoppsguy,
Listening to both sides of this discussion I thought I would jump in with some thoughts....
I am going to try and explain what Lee is saying or at least how I understand it.
I collected as a Kid, stopped in early 80's and just got back into the Hobby last summer. 2 of the first 3 cards I bought were Fakes.
.. One of the fakes was a 54 Bowman Williams... It is a very good repro.. I have destroyed it.. B/C I dont what some to get burned Like it did for $400.... Oh course this is not going to change the world, but I at least tried to do my part.
Scouring pad, fake rose in glass tube, metal spoon and lighter. They were all sold together for like 3.00 in his store.
The fact is it's irresponsible to sell fake/counterfeit/reprinted items that will likely be resold as authentic. I'm not sure why you can't see that, but it's people like this seller that perpetuate the continuous flow of counterfits and forgeries in the hobby. Whether or not what they are doing is legal or whether they are disclosing all information about the item is irrelevant.
I will not continue to try and presuade you that selling this crap is irresponsible, just like I did not continue to explain why sniping is a more effective bidding strategy than putting in your max bid at the beginning of the auction in the other thread. All I can say is that you're living in your own world and I guess nobody can tell you anything. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were one of axtell's alt id's.
Lee
<< <i>I love the grammer.
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE!
glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz
And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
Bob >>
GRAMMAR...............love it.
I understand what you and Lee are both trying to say. However, I do believe that there is a place in this hobby for reproductions. I have a Mastro T206 Honus Wagner that is a reprint. It displays very nicely with my other T206s. I don’t have the money for a real Wagner, but I have the next best thing. I also don’t have the money for a 1952 Topps set, but I have a reprint set, which is the next best thing. This hobby is full of reprint sets. The same thing applies with this ball. This hobby also has many reprint autos for people who can not afford the real thing - Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Lou Gehrig, etc. I think everybody is making a big deal about it because it looks so authentic - the signature looks EXACTLY like a Ruth, the ball is yellowed, shellacked, etc, just as you would expect on an authentic Babe Ruth signed ball. However, if it were a snow white, modern Major League Ball, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. What else would you want the seller to do to more accurately describe it as not being authentic? I don’t think he can do anymore than he has already done. It’s not like he said, “This may or may not be real. You decide” No, he used the word “repro” or “reproduction” 5 times within the listing. Again, I know what you are saying. Is there a way to stop it? I don’t have the answer. But if you use the logic that all repros should be destroyed to prevent fraud, then you must also come to the same conclusion that all unopened wax must be destroyed to prevent re-seals.
lee,
Again, if you think it is wrong, CONTACT EBAY! Real simple!
That is a fallacy of argumentation. I think Post Hoc Ergo Proctor Hoc? Anyway, in no way is opened material the same as a repro Ruth Ball. A more valid comparison would be if someone took one of the Mastro Wagners that you have yourself and sanded it, aged the paper, gave it back damage to remove the word "reprint" off it. Then took it and sold it as an repro but as close as you can get to the real thing card. The intent here is to make it look real no matter how much you say it's not the intent is to get people to bid higher because they might be able to dupe the next person in line.
Why go through all the trouble of shellacking a ball and making it appeared aged? He did say that he did not get a 3rd party's opinion on if it's fake, giving someone false hope that maybe he's wrong.
I see your side of the arguement. However, there are 2 sides to it. All I am saying is where do you draw the line with repros? What is the criteria for saying, "This is okay to list, but this is not." If you feel this is so bad, have you contacted eBay about it?
Please tell me why this auction should be banned and these auctions should not?
Ruth
OR
Ruth & Gehrig
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<< <i>I love the grammer.
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE!
glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz
And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
Bob >>
GRAMMAR...............love it. >>
<< <i>Ruth
OR
Ruth & Gehrig >>
Do you honestly not see the difference between those two auctions?
It's sorta like The Supreme Court's decision on pornography. While there is no easy way to say definitively with a broad stroke that it is or isn't; however, I know it when I see it.
<< <i>
<< <i>I love the grammer.
from an estate sell..........Sale you moron SALE!
glaze covering the intire ball.........entire entire entire...get it right you putz
And I also love how it is signed in REAL INK.........Does anyone know where I can buy fake ink?
Bob >>
GRAMMAR...............love it. >>
haha classic.
As far as the auction goes, who cares? He clearly states it's not real, does so many times, does so in the Q&A. Because it could be potentially sold to someone who might list it as real he can't sell it? Just seems like we are trying to regulate way too much.