Quinn & the Browns are still at odds over guaranteed money
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CLEVELAND — Brady Quinn and the Cleveland Browns agree on a few things. Not enough, though, to get the rookie quarterback's signature on a five-year contract and into training camp.
Following substantive talks over the weekend, the sides are only $500,000 apart in guaranteed money for Quinn, one of only three first-round picks still holding out in contract disputes.
The major sticking point in negotiations between the Browns and agent Tom Condon are escalator clauses based on playing time for Quinn, who slid to No. 22 in April's draft after being projected as a top 10 selection.
Condon's proposal would allow Quinn to get a $5 million increase in the final two years of a potential five-year deal if he takes 55 percent of the snaps in any two of the first three years or 70 percent in any one of the first three.
The Browns would prefer if the triggers were tougher to reach.
Quinn is seeking $8 million in guaranteed money, roughly the same amount that cornerback Aaron Ross, the No. 20 pick, got from the New York Giants. Last week, Browns general manager Phil Savage said he was willing to pay a quarterback premium higher than what would go to a player taken 22nd.
Quinn, meanwhile, missed his 11th day of camp today. He's working out in Arizona while Condon works on his deal.
While he waits, the former four-year starter at Notre Dame has been in touch with his college coach.
"I talk to him probably every other day, and he's doing fine," Fighting Irish coach Charlie Weis said. "He's anxious. He wants to be in there. I think everyone wants that to get done, and hopefully it'll get it done sooner rather than later."
Quinn's absence has ensured he will not win the Browns' starting job, which has become a two-man fight between Derek Anderson and Charlie Frye.
Coach Romeo Crennel said he still hasn't decided who will start the Browns' exhibition opener on Saturday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
"It may be a coin flip before the game to decide," he said. "However, they both are going to play in the game."
The Browns were frustrated by a lack of movement on Quinn's side last week. On Friday, Savage voiced his frustration and pointed to the team's solid track record of signing players as proof the Browns were doing all they could to bring Quinn in.
"We've got to have some flexibility from the other side to get a deal done," he said. "It's to try to meet somewhere in the middle, where both parties can agree — to sometimes disagree — but get it done."
The sides had their most productive talks in months on Saturday, when the guaranteed money became less of an issue.
Quinn, Oakland quarterback JaMarcus Russell (No. 1 overall) and New York Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis (No. 14) are the only first-round picks without contracts.
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Following substantive talks over the weekend, the sides are only $500,000 apart in guaranteed money for Quinn, one of only three first-round picks still holding out in contract disputes.
The major sticking point in negotiations between the Browns and agent Tom Condon are escalator clauses based on playing time for Quinn, who slid to No. 22 in April's draft after being projected as a top 10 selection.
Condon's proposal would allow Quinn to get a $5 million increase in the final two years of a potential five-year deal if he takes 55 percent of the snaps in any two of the first three years or 70 percent in any one of the first three.
The Browns would prefer if the triggers were tougher to reach.
Quinn is seeking $8 million in guaranteed money, roughly the same amount that cornerback Aaron Ross, the No. 20 pick, got from the New York Giants. Last week, Browns general manager Phil Savage said he was willing to pay a quarterback premium higher than what would go to a player taken 22nd.
Quinn, meanwhile, missed his 11th day of camp today. He's working out in Arizona while Condon works on his deal.
While he waits, the former four-year starter at Notre Dame has been in touch with his college coach.
"I talk to him probably every other day, and he's doing fine," Fighting Irish coach Charlie Weis said. "He's anxious. He wants to be in there. I think everyone wants that to get done, and hopefully it'll get it done sooner rather than later."
Quinn's absence has ensured he will not win the Browns' starting job, which has become a two-man fight between Derek Anderson and Charlie Frye.
Coach Romeo Crennel said he still hasn't decided who will start the Browns' exhibition opener on Saturday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
"It may be a coin flip before the game to decide," he said. "However, they both are going to play in the game."
The Browns were frustrated by a lack of movement on Quinn's side last week. On Friday, Savage voiced his frustration and pointed to the team's solid track record of signing players as proof the Browns were doing all they could to bring Quinn in.
"We've got to have some flexibility from the other side to get a deal done," he said. "It's to try to meet somewhere in the middle, where both parties can agree — to sometimes disagree — but get it done."
The sides had their most productive talks in months on Saturday, when the guaranteed money became less of an issue.
Quinn, Oakland quarterback JaMarcus Russell (No. 1 overall) and New York Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis (No. 14) are the only first-round picks without contracts.
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he was awful against any decent competition, he thrived on brutal teams...not a good sign for NFl
if the guy didnt have pipes for arms, then he would not have been drafted...it takes more then muscle to succeed in this world fellas....
You go, Brady, and don't let the man keep you down!
<< <i>it doesnt matter, I PREDICT QUINN WILL BE THE BIGGEST QB JOKE SINCE....RYAN LEAF
he was awful against any decent competition, he thrived on brutal teams...not a good sign for NFl
if the guy didnt have pipes for arms, then he would not have been drafted...it takes more then muscle to succeed in this world fellas.... >>
Obviously you didn't see the SoCal game which SC won in the last minute with an illegal TD.
<< <i>All of this negative attention on Quinn is clearly because of his race.
You go, Brady, and don't let the man keep you down!
<< <i>One thread on this is enough unless you have an agenda.
An agenda against the hapless Browns? They have suffered enough over the years, they don't need me rubbing it in.
Why not start a thread on Jim Harbaugh said about his alma mater?
Ah yes, well of course it is true that athletes get breaks on admission standards all the time, even Notre Dame plays that
game but they would never admit it.
<< <i>BTW Brady signed. >>
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<< <i>The rookie quarterback has agreed to terms on a five-year deal with the Cleveland Browns, FOXSports.com has learned. The deal is worth $20.2 million, and could reach a total value of $30 million with escalators. The contract contains $7.75 million in guaranteed money. >>
So now the Quinn haters should focus their energy on JaMarcus, right?
with warts and all.
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<< <i>BTW Brady signed. >>
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<< <i>The rookie quarterback has agreed to terms on a five-year deal with the Cleveland Browns, FOXSports.com has learned. The deal is worth $20.2 million, and could reach a total value of $30 million with escalators. The contract contains $7.75 million in guaranteed money. >>
So now the Quinn haters should focus their energy on JaMarcus, right? >>
They are only Quinn haters because of where he went to school. No on rants on and on about the Heisman winner who was arrested in college and clearly isn't a pro quality starter. If he had gone ND assuming he would have been able to gain entrance this hate would be laid on him. Life is so simple when you can see through it all.
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<< <i>BTW Brady signed. >>
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<< <i>The rookie quarterback has agreed to terms on a five-year deal with the Cleveland Browns, FOXSports.com has learned. The deal is worth $20.2 million, and could reach a total value of $30 million with escalators. The contract contains $7.75 million in guaranteed money. >>
So now the Quinn haters should focus their energy on JaMarcus, right? >>
Why should anyone hate an athlete because they haven't negotiated a contract? Unless you were a hard core fan of the team.
The Brady saga was interesting because of his draft position and ego.
Brady, a 22 pick who wanted top 10 money.
Russell, a #1 pick, who wants #1 money.
Big, big difference...just because last year's #1 pick who was so shocked being #1 he signed the first offer he saw.
<< <i>Why should anyone hate an athlete because they haven't negotiated a contract? Unless you were a hard core fan of the team.
The Brady saga was interesting because of his draft position and ego. >>
I have absolutely no idea.
Probably the same people that have no life and keep coming back to a forum they've been banned from at least 6 times?
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Why should anyone hate an athlete because they haven't negotiated a contract? Unless you were a hard core fan of the team.
The Brady saga was interesting because of his draft position and ego. >>
Probably the same people who post off topic threads and polls about people they don't know? Who knows.
I don't think anyone 'hated' Brady, but questioned his motivation for being a part of the team.
+1 for back-to-back posts
<< <i>Well under BOTH circumstances if your going to question Quins motivation for the team then hands down you need to question Russells as well. BOTTOM LINE if it wasn't about the money then anyone drafted should be signed right away, the motivation for the team is second to the $$$$$ hands down. >>
No, not really, not when it was likely Quinn could have fallen to the second round if the Browns not traded up to get him at 22, yet Quinn wants top 10 money. JaMarcus was the #1 overall pick...they have completely different scenarios.
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<< <i>Well under BOTH circumstances if your going to question Quins motivation for the team then hands down you need to question Russells as well. BOTTOM LINE if it wasn't about the money then anyone drafted should be signed right away, the motivation for the team is second to the $$$$$ hands down. >>
No, not really, not when it was likely Quinn could have fallen to the second round if the Browns not traded up to get him at 22, yet Quinn wants top 10 money. JaMarcus was the #1 overall pick...they have completely different scenarios. >>
I understand that Russell should get more money going # 1 but the fact is that it has nothing to do with questioning anyones motivation for the team, the player/s want the money FIRST then they will dedicate themselves to the team. Different scenarios but they both have the same agenda.
<< <i>I understand that Russell should get more money going # 1 but the fact is that it has nothing to do with questioning anyones motivation for the team, the player/s want the money FIRST then they will dedicate themselves to the team. Different scenarios but they both have the same agenda. >>
Exactly.
Russell should be ecstatic for being the #1 pick and the opportunity to start. Just like Quinn should be (is now, I suppose) for being drafted at his pick.
Both were looking to line their own pocket books, yet Quinn is portrayed as a spoiled brat while nothing is wrong with Russell.
It's hypocrisy, pure and simple.
Im not trying to beat a dead horse but I do not agree with this whole signing process having anything to do with ones being motivated for the team or not, it is all about the cash first.
<< <i>Well under BOTH circumstances if your going to question Quins motivation for the team then hands down you need to question Russells as well. BOTTOM LINE if it wasn't about the money then anyone drafted should be signed right away, the motivation for the team is second to the $$$$$ hands down. >>
It is really funny, when athletes are caught up in a situation like this they usually say when it is all over "well, it was really not about the money" when everyone knows that is exactly what it was all about.
Had.
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Glad he got wise and got into camp...but he's still missed 2 weeks of work.
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<< <i>First off, where are you getting the fact that he "was demanding top 10 money"? >>
It's called pulling something out of one's arse and hoping it sticks.