any tips for crossing a NGC set to PCGS?
seateddime
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About 65 % of my complete Seated dime set is in NGC holders. I want to convert it all to PCGS. Does anyone have ideas?
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<< <i>Sell off the NGC coins and go out and buy the PCGS coins to replace them. >>
Unfortunately i'd have to agree with him. Crossing NGC to PCGS is pretty much a waste of money IMHO. If you're deadset to get them into PCGS plastic crack them out and take whatever grade they give them.
Cross at any grade....
<< <i>I have a sure fire way to cross every NGC coin to PCGS as long as the coin is problem free.
Cross at any grade.... >>
...or if you put a minimum grade way low they won't crack out what won't cross at any grade. Lets say you choose G04 which is really way low becuase your coins are all MS. They don't like the color of a coin or a rim nick or something and they say it won't cross for whatever reason. At least that way the possible problem coins won't get cracked out of the other company's holder.
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Russ, NCNE
>>>>>About 65 % of my complete Seated dime set is in NGC holders. I want to convert it all to PCGS. Does anyone have ideas?
oh thats easy....i crossed 26 of 27 on the first time
heck im even 4 for 4 with crossing icg
all you need to do is be a a very good grader and ALWAYS BY THE COIN NOT THE PLASTIC.....
now the set presently im building i have crossed 22 of 29...from pcgs to ngc.....so ive done better crossing to pcgs than crossing to ngc...
now i have a problem with those 7 coins that ngc wont cross....and here it is........i want all my coins in ngc holders as they look so much better with a white backround....normally id crack them and submit them but the problem is i cant because i cant be sure pcgs would grade them again at the grade they are now
i had thei antietam i bought in 1999....i swore it was a monster 68....sent it to ngc 4 times over a years time....it came back 67....67....67....67...po ed at ngc i sent it to pcgs 4 times too...it came back....65....66.....64....67.....so you see its a big risk
NEVER FORGET...IF YOU HAVE THE GOODS THEY WILL GRADE EM...IF YOU DONT....THEY WONT
monsterman
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>>>oh thats easy....i crossed 26 of 27 on the first time
got the last one done the second time in
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Jason,
I have had pretty good luck as far as grade goes. My problem has been coins that PCGS won't grade because of color. I like color and sometimes they don't. I think it scares them more than anything. As far as I'm concerned a seated dime should not be blast white!
I wish you the best. I have seen your set and you have some very very hard to find dimes! It will be good to see you in the PCGS camp!
Jon
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One never knows what will happen on any given day at a TPG Service...
naw
luck is when hard work and opportunity meet......get the skill and they all will cross....dont have the skill and then you have a problem
as i said i personally like my coins with a white backround....thus most all are in ngc holders....however i have several pcgs i will not submit to ngc because im afraid they wont go back into pcgs holders and some wont cross at all anyway
i live by the montra that if you dont want my coins because they are in ngc holders....you can never have the best set....thus concluding that any registry that requires all it`s coin to be of one slab only is not a valid registry at all and can not be termed the " finest"...because it isnt
monsterman
ps....buy the coin not the slab
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If the coins in the NGC holders are accurately graded or undergraded, you may not have much to fear.
I have a very limited bit of experience doing this with two Mercs that I purchased in NGC plastic. I felt that each was a lock to get the same grade from PCGS--maybe even go up a grade. I sent them in as part of two separate submissions. One, a 1919 63-FB according to NGC, came back 64-FB in PCGS plastic. The other, a 1928 65-FB according to NGC, came back 65-FB in PCGS plastic.
I guess my point is just that if you've got nice coins in that NGC plastic, I think you can crack and submit or submit for crossing without much trepidation.
Good luck!
<< <i>If the coins in the NGC holders are accurately graded or undergraded, you may not have much to fear. >>
I agree. I went 6 for 8 on my last crossover submission, and the two that didn't cross were my own fault because I missed something on each coin.
Russ, NCNE
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75% or more of my coins are NGC. I try to buy only the best NGC (or PCGS) coins I see. While a large number of buyers won't give them a second thought 'cause of the white holder, serious buyers will. And I only intend to sell to serious buyers. The very best seated half I own is in an NGC67 holder. It doesn't bother me in the least.
Tips for crossing if you must: let them compare the entire set at one time so at least they are comparing apples to apples. If the coins are worth less than $200 each I wouldn't spend the grading fees but would sell the NGC coins to acquire PCGS coins. But nice NGC coins are selling just fine these days. As the market goes higher the buyers will get fussier and will demand "all-there" coins in whatever holder you have. If you acquire less than solid PCGS coins, expect them to be difficult to sell as well down the road.
roadrunner
imagine you want to start a tpg and your in the boardroom with your staff...and you say....ideas please......exactly where do we want to fit in the market place
1) grade too tuff and no dealers will support you as they cant get the grades and cant sell them for what they are worth
2) grade to loose and no dealers will support you as nobody will buy them at the grade levels
its thats simple
and the fact is....the tpg split hairs.....the " spread" IS NOT A FUL POINT....( im not talking about some of these off the wall tpg who have started in order to feed of the ebayers ....im talking about pcgs...ngc...icg...annacs)
that being said since the grade is in terms of full points....and a tpg wants to be a 1/10 point below another which will get them in the " game".....that means 9 out 10 are graded correctly and 1 is not........( according to the PRESENT grading standards....never forget the tpg are indeed ranking coins...resulting in gradeflation )
that being said when bids for sight unseen coins are out there and the if the pop of sesquis is 10 in ms 66 as a dealer you have be know that someone could hit your bid with that 1 poorly graded coin and you are stuck with a coin that will be hard to sell ...if at all....so in order to keep that from happening you have to post your bids in terms of dollars at levels that you are prepared to get stuck with the runt of the litter...........
what this does is lower the price sheet levels of all the other 9 sesquis
what this then does is get people ( who dont fully understand ) to stay away from that particular tpg
this is an utterly stupid thing to do ....and i can assure you i take full advantage of the less knowledgeable people who do not understand the market.....thus i get to buy monsters with a heck of a lot less competition bidding for them than should be
which is exactly why i have hundreds of monsters....with a heck of a lot less in them than i should have.....since my collecting expeditures has exceeded my personal monitary limits of just having fun collecting and has evolved into having to be finnacially responsible i have had to learn exactly how the market works
and i have concluded all of the above to be correct.....and....if you want to build the best set possible within your financial means....you can not do it buying only 1 companies slabs.....if you do you will pay too much and never get a shot at the entire spectrum of the coins available thus a dimished end result.......AKA.....ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT A REGISTRY WHO WILL ONLY ALLOW A CERTAIN TPG SLABS IN IT IS SUPERIOR TO ONE THAT LETS BOTH ACREDITED TPG SLABS IN IT IS JUST KIDDING THEMSELVES AS TO WHERE THEIR SET ACTUALLY RANKS IN THE ENTIRE NUMISMATIC COMMUNITY
never in a million years would i ever go on to a bourse looking at only 1 tpg slabs....its like boxing mike tyson with one hand tied behind your back.......but you know what pt barnum said....there is a sucker born every minute.....and i welcome the chance to buy monster coins with less competition
more for me and less for them..weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
monsterman
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bottomline
buy the coin not the holder.....its that simple.....and if you dont have the knowledge of grading yourself.....expect to pay more and get less
but if you do have the knowledge you will get more and pay less
thus....buy the book before the coin....and get edemucated
monsterman
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