CONGRATS TO BONDS # 755!!!
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<< <i>CONGRATS TO BONDS # 755!!! >>
On a similar note, congratulations to the Minneapolis bridge inspectors!!!
It may be news, but when the news is tragic it seems awfully distasteful to offer congratulations. I think the more appropriate response is to bow our heads and pray nothing like it ever happens again.
This is truly a sad, sad day for baseball and baseball fans.
Oh I don't think so ......
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<< <i>CONGRATS TO BONDS # 755!!! >>
On a similar note, congratulations to the Minneapolis bridge inspectors!!!
It may be news, but when the news is tragic it seems awfully distasteful to offer congratulations. I think the more appropriate response is to bow our heads and pray nothing like it ever happens again.
This is truly a sad, sad day for baseball and baseball fans. >>
Do you really have any idea how foolish you sound with this statement? I know everyone here hates Bonds and Im not trying to fight anyone that does hate him, I happen to like him and dont mind people posting there opposite feelings by any meens but your statement above is absolutly ridiculas. To even bring up a tragic event where people died in comparison to a baseball record is disgusting.
I will root for Arod to pass Bonds.
To sit in judgment of one many while you let everyone else who is just as guilty go free is wrong on every level imaginable.
Congrats, Barry.
<< <i>The more of a witch hunt its become for Bonds, the more I've been rooting for him. To single out one guy to take the blame of an entire generation of cheaters is just wrong. Indict everyone if you're going to call for Bonds' head. Then go back and kick everyone out who used greenies before HGH and steroids became commonplace. Throw out a guy who has a plaque in Cooperstown whose cheating was celebrated by fans and the media - Gaylord Perry.
To sit in judgment of one many while you let everyone else who is just as guilty go free is wrong on every level imaginable.
Congrats, Barry. >>
How laughable. Put a crown on Barry's head because he supposedly takes huge flak for CHEATING. Put a crown on his head beause he seemingly holds a torch for the vilified many who have cheated in this generation that Barry took advantage of?
What Barry Bonds has gone through at the expense of his own STUPID SELF does not COMPARE to what Hammerin Hank Aaron went through ..... DOES NOT COMPARE. DOES NOT.
DOES NOT COME CLOSE to what poor Hank Aaron went through with many DEATH THREATS, etc because he had the gall to approach Babe Ruth's record.
Barry Bonds is not in the same UNIVERSE that Hank Aaron resides in when it come to supposed flak that they have taken. Barry Bonds has cheated his way to the heights of a Hank Aaron on a SILK laden bed. Booo hoooo friggen hooo for Barry I CHEATED Bonds.
NO WAY Barry Bonds could have EVER handled the FLAK Mr. Henry Aaron took. And Henry Aaron was not a CHEATER
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<< <i>Do you really have any idea how foolish you sound with this statement? I know everyone here hates Bonds and Im not trying to fight anyone that does hate him, I happen to like him and dont mind people posting there opposite feelings by any meens but your statement above is absolutly ridiculas. To even bring up a tragic event where people died in comparison to a baseball record is disgusting. >>
Well, disgust was the sentiment I was going for, so I guess mission accomplished.
I'm pretty sure that (most of) the folks here are smart enough to understand the point of my analogy and truth be told I don't spend much time worrying about those that aren't - similar to the time you've spent in your life worrying about spelling, by way of another analogy.
<< <i>The more of a witch hunt its become for Bonds, the more I've been rooting for him. >>
Some people just like conflict, I guess.
<< <i>To single out one guy to take the blame of an entire generation of cheaters is just wrong. Indict everyone if you're going to call for Bonds' head. >>
Even as a Dodgers fan I agree with this. But to expect the best player, with the worst attitude, who was disliked before and taking the best record in sports, to get the most heat. {that sentence sucks but it's true]
However, to suggest anything other than Bonds has been the subject of a wide-scale witch hunt in regards to steroids is pure folly. There is no other player who has any, and I mean any, amount of scrutiny in regards to steroids speculation. Barry bears the brunt of it all. That, my friends, is a fact.
How long did the 'outrage' over Giambi's leaked admission last? A week? How long has Barry been crushed by it? 5 years? Please do not insult those of us with open eyes and suggest that Barry isn't the man being demonized by the media as all that's wrong with steroid/HGH use in MLB.
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And the generation before that, which used greenies?
And the countless pitchers who have doctored baseballs in order to be more effective? Hell, there's a guy in the hall whose entire career was built on doctoring baseballs. Let's mock them all as well.
<< <i>What about the previous generation, which used cocaine as a performance enhancer?
And the generation before that, which used greenies?
And the countless pitchers who have doctored baseballs in order to be more effective? Hell, there's a guy in the hall whose entire career was built on doctoring baseballs. Let's mock them all as well. >>
Cocaine? Greenies? (speed) Doctored baseballs?
Oh yeah, lets just put these items on the level of substances that turn almost ordinary atheletes into the INCREDIBLE HULK. What a crock ........ and the easy CRUTCH to use for those who want to support these fools.
I HOPE THIS ENTIRE GENERATION OF BALLPLAYERS IS MOCKED AND LAUGHED AT down the road.
NOBODY who has children growing up right now would be so FOOLISH to support what atheletes are doing to themselves with these substances. Greenies (speed) , cocaine although JUST AS BAD as what is going on now NEVER had the performance effect that roids have had. To think so is plain FOOLISHNESS.
Doctored baseballs? Just what the FU%K does that have to do with altering ones body to gain a edge?
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No wonder baseball is where it is as far as historical records are concerned.
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-ethics
-personal responsibility
Each of us must adhere to an ethical standard in our lives, even in the professional life. All sports leagues instruct players and personnel in the accepted ethical standards of the game. It's a business like any other with a labor/management relationship that involves programs to ensure that labor is properly educated on the boundaries that cannot be crossed. It is then management's responsibility to enforce those standards.
When a player chooses to take steroids he is making a choice based on his own value system, not that of the league. He is aware of the risk and chooses to stray from the accepted standard that has been set.
That is the bottom line. Personal responsibility. Not one player takes steroids without the knowledge that it is not allowed.
So tell me, if management does not enforce the rule does that now change the ethical standard? No. Lack of enforcement does not make the act acceptable. Failure to catch a steroid user does not make steroid use acceptable. We won't discuss labor not allowing blood tests and standing in the way of other procedures or rules that may enhance enforcement.
It comes down to one man with a needle. He makes the choice.
Singling out one player? When the evidence is there to investigate further it is warranted. All should be treated in this manner. Giambi has chosen to talk. Palmeiro lied before the nation and was caught. McGwire refused to talk and has been vilified though not proven to have used. Bonds has held himself out there, has broken records and is suspected of steroid abuse for more reasons than just his size. As long as the evidence stands I support the continued investigation.
One thing that I will not support is the notion that we should let this period pass as the "steroid era" and give these guys a pass. That involves my acceptance of a lowered standard which I cannot embrace. Any player that has been proven to use steroids should not hold any record.
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<< <i>Do you really have any idea how foolish you sound with this statement? I know everyone here hates Bonds and Im not trying to fight anyone that does hate him, I happen to like him and dont mind people posting there opposite feelings by any meens but your statement above is absolutly ridiculas. To even bring up a tragic event where people died in comparison to a baseball record is disgusting. >>
Well, disgust was the sentiment I was going for, so I guess mission accomplished.
I'm pretty sure that (most of) the folks here are smart enough to understand the point of my analogy and truth be told I don't spend much time worrying about those that aren't - similar to the time you've spent in your life worrying about spelling, by way of another analogy. >>
I understand your analogy exactly and I dont like it, you dont care yet you responded though? I know your too much of an ignorant P.O.S to take a step back and wonder how you would feel if maybe you had a loved one in that accident but it is not similar to Barry Bonds tying Hank Aarons HR record no matter how your warped mind wants to spin it.
<< <i>congratulations*
I will root for Arod to pass Bonds. >>
Exactly *
Bonds 73*
McGwire 70*
Sosa 66*
Maris 61
Maris never looked better!!
McGwire didn't make the Hall (which he doesn't deserve anyways).
Palmero has been incognito for what, two years now?
Sosa got what's equivalent to a year suspension.
Giambi, even with admission, was blasted in the national media for over a year.
Sheffield has a dark cloud hanging over him that will never go away.
Per leaked grand jury testimony, Bonds took steriods... Yet some how, some way, he's being singled out?
Let's see how big Bonds' head is after spending time in prison, which is pretty much inevitable
<< <i>Did anyone see Bud Selig's reaction? Not even a half-hearted clapping of hands, and it actually looked like he yawned!!
Yes I did. He also put his hands in his pockets right after. That to me suggests a very defensive uncomfortable position.
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<< <i>Did anyone see Bud Selig's reaction? Not even a half-hearted clapping of hands, and it actually looked like he yawned!!
Yes I did. He also put his hands in his pockets right after. That to me suggests a very defensive uncomfortable position. >>
Selig's body language tells you all you need to know how he feels about Bonds. It has been torture for him all season, I'm sure
he hopes Bonds hits #756 ASAP and put him (Selig) out of his misery -- he can then move on.
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Bonds has been portrayed as the poster boy of the steroid era, and is the only one who's gotten any sort of long-term media scrutiny because of it, because he's (a) a jerk off the field and (b) going to break the most precious record in all of sports.
Giambi was blasted in the media for a year? hah, good one, it was more like a week. Sheffield? What? Exactly when? Sosa, McGwire, Palmiero? Palmiero FAILED A DRUG test yet his name isn't even mentioned. Bonds, however, just goes out there and busts his tail and he's the one getting hammered.
Bonds likely took performance enhancing drugs, but he sure as hell wasn't alone. Until the media (and the so-called 'fans' of the game) gets up off their lazy backsides and calls out EVERYONE who used these same enhancers, to call out one man for it is as unjust as it gets.
<< <i>Bonds likely took performance enhancing drugs, but he sure as hell wasn't alone. Until the media (and the so-called 'fans' of the game) gets up off their lazy backsides and calls out EVERYONE who used these same enhancers, to call out one man for it is as unjust as it gets. >>
You're the only person on these boards who is a complete screw job, but it's still justification for having an "ignore" button.
You play with the needle, take your chances, and endure the punishment. Those in the lead will be scrutinized more than others. That's how the game is played in sports and business.
Cry yourself to sleep. Stand on a table and yell "Come witness the violence inherent in the system! Come witness the violence inherent in the system!"
Nothing will change and you're no saint in standing up for the perceived injustice of man. Suck it up and move on.
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Bonds has been portrayed as the poster boy of the steroid era >>
Uhhhh, well, HE IS the poster boy for steroids. Nice of you to come around to that fact finally
<< <i> Bonds, however, just goes out there and busts his tail and he's the one getting hammered. >>
<< <i>Bonds likely took performance enhancing drugs, but he sure as hell wasn't alone. Until the media (and the so-called 'fans' of the game) gets up off their lazy backsides and calls out EVERYONE who used these same enhancers, to call out one man for it is as unjust as it gets. >>
One man? Are you that short on brain cells? McGwire will never get into the Hall because of roids. Palmeiro is a DISGRACE and he will never have a shot at the hall or saving his lying face ever again. All of these guys that you mentioned will get hammered when their cheatful careers are over.]
Now, poor poor Barry Bonds, he is just so unjustly hammered for also injecting himself with cheat sauce. yeah right. Are you that naive not to fully understand that the top dog will ALWAYS take the top flak? No matter what the subject. Please stop with your whining and crying about equal treatment for all. It will never happen. The guy hanging on in the bigs who cheats will NEVER get the flak that a guy chasing a legit Hank Aaron will.
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Look, nobody's denying that Palmiero won't get into the hall...he tested positive for steroids. He's done. Mac likely will. What I most have a problem with is why Bonds is the only one of an entire generation of players who is bearing the brunt of this scrutiny.
Why is the commissioner allowing his private feelings about Bonds to come into play as well? Selig's job is not to allow his emotions about players get in the way. He should have been celebrating last night as the commissioner of baseball, not as a friend of Hank's who has disdain for Bonds.
Final thought on this topic: why do people try to differentiate cheating? Cheating is as old as baseball itself. But because the most revered record in all of sports is falling to a guy who is a grade A jerk we feel the need to sit in judgment? Odd.
<< <i>"Palmiero tested positive for steroids, yet where was the media when it came time to crucify him? Same with Mac."
I think the media did a fairly strong job in judging them harshly, I remember many newstories.
"Look, nobody's denying that Palmiero won't get into the hall...he tested positive for steroids. He's done. Mac likely will. What I most have a problem with is why Bonds is the only one of an entire generation of players who is bearing the brunt of this scrutiny."
Come on, is it that hard to figure out? Bonds is chasing the most hallowed record in baseball with a cloud of suspicion around him,
you don't think that is going to make a difference?
"Why is the commissioner allowing his private feelings about Bonds to come into play as well? Selig's job is not to allow his emotions about players get in the way. He should have been celebrating last night as the commissioner of baseball, not as a friend of Hank's who has disdain for Bonds."
Selig's job is not to have emotions? Please. Look at it this way, would you rather have Selig being a phony heaping praise on
Bonds when everyone knows he hates the guy? At least he is being honest with his feelings.
"Final thought on this topic: why do people try to differentiate cheating? Cheating is as old as baseball itself. But because the most revered record in all of sports is falling to a guy who is a grade A jerk we feel the need to sit in judgment? Odd. >>
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I think you are the one doing the differentiating.
Bonds 73*
McGwire 70*
Sosa 66*
Maris 61
Maris never looked better!!
I still remember when Maris had an "*" next to his name in the record book, I also remember talk (back in 1974) of people who wanted an "*" next to Aaron's name because he hit the HRs in an era when so many others were hitting 500+ HRs and played in more games and had more at bats than Ruth.
When Hank Aaron was on the verge of passing Ruth, I remember people saying that in the last 15-20 years Mante, Mays, Mathews, Banks, Robinson, Killebrew compared to Ruth, Foxx, Williams and Ott the previous 50+ years, the ball was juiced - they said. So what led to the HR explosion of the 60s?
Its seems like in Baseball there's always a need for not accepting a homerun record. Now I'm not saying that Bonds did not cheat but this story of the "*" is old and tired. The fact is Bonds will retire hitting more HRs than anyone else, even more HRs than the other guys on steroids. Bonds deserves his place in history - and only time will record what he accomplished (or cheated to accomplish).
The 60s had juiced balls and the 90s had juiced players - I'm getting thirsty writing this....
<< <i>He's just keeping the seat warm for A-Rod.... >>
you mean Pujols
<< <i>I know your too much of an ignorant P.O.S .... >>
1. When calling someone "ignorant", please use "you're" not "your" if you wish to elicit a response other than laughter.
2. I'm pretty sure you mean "arrogant", not "ignorant"; "you're" sentence only makes sense that way, in any event.
3. I will not fight an unarmed man, so this battle of wits is over. You may take as many unanswered shots from this point on as your vocabulary allows. I would feel our time here has not been completely wasted if you would make the effort to spell at least one of them correctly. I'm rooting for you.
4. My regrets to everyone else who doesn't care about our pissing match. I felt "ignorant P.O.S." shouldn't go unanswered but I have been mourning the death of baseball for the past several days and could not respond sooner.
<< <i> but I have been mourning the death of baseball for the past several days and could not respond sooner. >>
The death of baseball? No
The death of "sacred" records? ABSOLUTLEY
There are enough baseball junkies to keep the wheel turning. As far as reflection on the records we all used to hold with high regard? No such thing anymore
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Smart move selling it now rather than after he's in the slammer.