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Brady Quinn still hasen't gotten over the fact he was drafted #22

MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942 ✭
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I hear that is a stumbling block in negotiations, he feels he should be paid more than someone in that draft position would normally get.

So far he has missed 10 days of training camp, Romel Crennel says "he has missed all that fundamental work. The foundation has to be laid. It's hard to catch up on that."

The hang ups right now are escalator clauses, size and formula for playing time and other incentive bonuses. The Browns are cautiously optimistic it will get done pretty soon.

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  • bags05bags05 Posts: 93
    Both parties are at fault here. What the Browns aren't telling you is that they want to pay him pick #22 money for 6 years and Quinn just wants it for only 3 years. Quinn wants a shorter-term contract at his fair rate of #22 pick in the draft and be able to earn what the market will bear again after that. Seems reasonable.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With so many teams needing quarterbacks, my strong opinion is that something is definitely wrong with Brady Quinn. I'm not sure if it was the "psychological tests" or whatever that this guy didn't do well in, but it was something. Maybe his "attitude" talking with coaches interviewing him was not what the coaches wanted to hear. Basically, I'm predicting this guy turns out to be a bust. I'm not saying he might not be in the NFL for some years and throw a few touchdown passes, but I think that will be about it.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Its not the money its the length of the contract. If he pans out successfully he will be locked into a pay grade on down the road that is silly for a starter. If the Browns didn't believe he would eventually start and play well they should not have drafted him there.
  • fab4fab4 Posts: 280 ✭✭
    i think quinn will have a decent career. his only problem is ego, someone needs to tell him he was not a top 3 pick as predicted or even top 20. the cowboys passed for a reason. he could take a contract with the browns and get into camp have a decent year and make up the money on endorsements.

    my pick that will be the biggest bust is jamarcus russell. going to a bad team and holding out.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Taking these two things in consideration, 1-Missing parts of training camp, and 2- Not a very good supporting cast is a recipe for disaster. It would be best to let him sit on the sidelines for a year and learn the game, and become comfortable with the offense on the clipboard side of things. Why throw him right into a bad situation? Whether he got drafted #1 or #22 the fact remains the same, he needs to get into camp and NOT play his first year. The same goes for Russell. My 2 Cents!
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771
    Why isn't Quinn in camp? He wasn't picked #5, no matter how much he wants to think he was. He was drafted #22. He had the chance to really win everyone in Cleveland, yet here he is, acting like the spoiled child he is. Instead of being the face of the franchise, he's become everything that epitomizes greed in sports.

    Let him rot on the bench for all I care.
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    Just think....had Cleveland not picked him at #22, where might he have gone? Just before or after Troy Smith?

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  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    The only justification for Quinn to hold out is the fact that Cleveland gave up next year's first round pick for him, which most likely would be a top 10 or even top 5 pick. In that instance, I suppose he could argue that he is worth top ten money.
    Travis
  • TheVonTheVon Posts: 2,725 ✭
    There's self esteem and then there's ego. I foresee a Ryan Leaf-type career for Quinn.
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771
    baseball-

    Vick has a salary, a salary he earned by his performance on the field, and, until convicted in a court of law (not the court of public opinion), he's entitled to continue to draw that salary.

    Quinn, on the other hand, wants to act like a spoiled baby. Instead of being thankful to Cleveland (remember, he said he *wanted* to play there) for moving up in the draft to select him, he spits in their faces and demands more money like the spoiled brat he is. He wasn't the #5 pick, no matter how badly he wants to think he was. He was #22, and could have fallen much further than that if Cleveland hadn't made their move. Take 22 pick money (there's a reason nobody else wanted this guy), smile for the cameras, be a leader and move on. What he's doing now is alienating his teammates and his fans.

    Yes, if he doesn't want to accept 22 pick money, then he should definitely be left to rot.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    I don't get the hostility either. Cleveland is as much to blame as he is. If they don't think he's better than a #22 pick then why did they give up so much to get him. Plus, it's not like he doesn't want to be in camp. Also if people are into performance based salaries then they should be on Quinn's side. Basically he is saying that if he earns and keeps the job, then he wants to be paid accordingly. The browns are trying to lock him in to years of #22 pick salary even if he out performs it.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Goose you really need to get over your love affair with Quinn. You will look hysterical riding around Ohio in an orange jersey. Some of you have jump to some erroneous conclusions, not too surprising considering the hate and jealous of ND. Quinn is not happy with the length of the contract not the money. He willing to accept #22 money just not 8 years of it. I've never met a nicer young man so I don't know where the ego thing comes in. Just another leap to a conclusion.
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Goose you really need to get over your love affair with Quinn. You will look hysterical riding around Ohio in an orange jersey. Some of you have jump to some erroneous conclusions, not too surprising considering the hate and jealous of ND. Quinn is not happy with the length of the contract not the money. He willing to accept #22 money just not 8 years of it. I've never met a nicer young man so I don't know where the ego thing comes in. Just another leap to a conclusion. >>



    Speaking of leaping to conclusions...
    I'm no Clowns fan and have never been a fan of the over-rated media hyped above average college quarterback, Quinn. I'm merely a casual observer of the situation that finds the greed of someone in his situation a bit much. As far as hate and jealousy of ND?image There's always enough love on ESPN!
    My comment wasn't something disguised with some underlying meaning or message. Realistically, where would he have been taken if the Clowns had not traded.....round 2? 3? 4? Odd how someone can get so much out of my little remark.


    Oh, and my kid got a Quinn card at the National the other day in Cleveland.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would think that the smartest thing for Brady Quinn to do would be to get into camp and SHOW his new bosses that he would be worth the extra money. There is very little chance of a quarterback getting injured in training camp.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Funny.

    Those who were defending Bush's threat to sit out last year saying he deserved more money are now bashing Quinn.

    Don't even bother tring to defend your hypocrisy because it's the exact same concept.

    In the end, he will get the guaranteed money for his draft position just like Reggie, which was less than the spot before him.

    Where's the same hate towards JaMarcus Russell?

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771
    hah Russell was the #1 overall pick...not the 22nd pick (that would have likely tumbled into the second round if the browns had traded up to get him). Bush again is an erroneous comparison, as he was the #2 pick, not the 22nd.

    It's not the same concept, it's not even close. Quinn is simply cementing his Ryan Leafesque status, and his continuing to miss days will only add to his 'legacy'.

    Instead of signing for millions and millions of dollars, showing appreciation to the team for rescuing him from the commissioner's hotel suite after being escorted there after looking like a lost kid at the draft and being all alone, he instead acts like he was the #1 pick and demands #1 pick money.

    Hilarious.

    I say it again: let him rot.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Bush again is an erroneous comparison, as he was the #2 pick, not the 22nd. >>


    Good point, let's not compare a #22 to a #2 overall.



    << <i> Quinn is simply cementing his Ryan Leafesque status, and his continuing to miss days will only add to his 'legacy'. >>


    Uh...what happened?



    << <i> I say it again: let him rot. >>



    Is your stance that all athletes should just be happy with what they are offered? Do you feel the same way about Larry Johnson? Because that is what Quinn is trying to avoid. He wants a contract he can honor his end of.

    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Goose you really need to get over your love affair with Quinn. You will look hysterical riding around Ohio in an orange jersey. Some of you have jump to some erroneous conclusions, not too surprising considering the hate and jealous of ND. Quinn is not happy with the length of the contract not the money. He willing to accept #22 money just not 8 years of it. I've never met a nicer young man so I don't know where the ego thing comes in. Just another leap to a conclusion. >>



    Speaking of leaping to conclusions...
    I'm no Clowns fan and have never been a fan of the over-rated media hyped above average college quarterback, Quinn. I'm merely a casual observer of the situation that finds the greed of someone in his situation a bit much. As far as hate and jealousy of ND?image There's always enough love on ESPN!
    My comment wasn't something disguised with some underlying meaning or message. Realistically, where would he have been taken if the Clowns had not traded.....round 2? 3? 4? Odd how someone can get so much out of my little remark.


    Oh, and my kid got a Quinn card at the National the other day in Cleveland. >>



    Goose you should know I was pulling your chain, I know you are a Steelers fan. Take it in the spirit intended. image I meant to put a wink in my previous post. BTW as we speak ND is quietly racking up the #1 recruiting class. We will be a force not this year but the following. Corwin Brown the new defensive coordinator a Michigan gridiron graduate from Chicago has snared the top 3 players in the Chicago area. The future is bright so ND haters you will have lots to root against in 08 onward. image
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Bush again is an erroneous comparison, as he was the #2 pick, not the 22nd. >>


    Good point, let's not compare a #22 to a #2 overall.



    << <i> Quinn is simply cementing his Ryan Leafesque status, and his continuing to miss days will only add to his 'legacy'. >>


    Uh...what happened? >>



    BAWAHAHAHAHA!

    This is nothing new. Tinkerbell is just attempting to use an arguement that only fits her agenda at the present moment.

    And it IS the same concept: You get paid for the slot you were drafted, nothing more and nothing less.

    Spin away...
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771


    << <i>
    Is your stance that all athletes should just be happy with what they are offered? Do you feel the same way about Larry Johnson? Because that is what Quinn is trying to avoid. He wants a contract he can honor his end of. >>



    It's one thing for an established player like LJ, who has strapped the team to his back and shown he's worth the pay raise, that he has some negotating skills. It's quite another for a guy like Quinn who has yet to take a snap, and who think he's a top 5 pick when in reality he's not anywhere close to it.

  • stitzenstitzen Posts: 1,771
    One more thing, my last post on this topic:

    of course quinn can hold out, try to milk more money out of the team, to try and get more money than what he's worth. He may think he's a top 5 pick but the reality of the situation is he's not, he's 22nd. Many teams passed on him for a reason. But for him to not expect a backlash of negative publicity by both the media and the fans is naive at best.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>he instead acts like he was the #1 pick and demands #1 pick money.? >>


    Hyperbole much??? You are the king of exageration and hypocrisy. Nuff said. And as for your wholier than thou attitude about not alienating people, I find it the pinnacle of irony that it comes from someone that has been banned multiple times on this forum and whose posts have been filled with THE most hate-filled vile I've ever read on this or any onther internet site. Perhaps you should work on yourself before judging others about how they appear with their behavior. >>



    POTD!

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
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