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Do e-bay cardboard powerhouses like dsl or 4sc or 4 sharp corners baseball or 4 sharp corners store or new england sportscards or shaqfu (red zone sportscards) make profit from selling graded cards or from the charges associated with mailing cards or both?

i support all these dealers, trust me, but just wonder how much profit they realize every quarter or year or whatever?

i am not bashing anybody, like i said, i support them, but simply wonder where they are most profitable?

i will not state shipping charges for any of the companies, b/c i think they make look negative on my part, but i do wonder how much s/h helps them stay afloat or out of the red.

julen
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  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    One of THOSE companies lets you know of their "other" insurance ( besides USPS insurance) that they use to insure all packages. I am betting they actually pay for NO insurance. ( maybe high priced items only) The USPS rarely losses things. Of course they do send with Delivery confirmation to cover their butt, so no one can say they never got the item.

    So they are charging you $4.00 for appr $1.25 in postal fees plus the padded envelope.

    Ship out a couple of hundred items a week.............you do the math.
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  • artistlostartistlost Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭
    I'll agree...the "other insurance is a scam" I just had it pulled on me buy a large seller on Ebay.

    Side note:...thanks for the great Reggie RC! Got it yesterday.

    mathew

    north of the border
    baseball & hockey junkie

    drugs of choice
    NHL hall of fame rookies
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So they are charging you $4.00 for appr $1.25 in postal fees plus the padded envelope. >>



    Not to nitpick, but USPS First Class shipping with delivery confirmation for a 3 oz package rings in at $2.22 and a 2 oz package is at $2.05. Not defending the $4 in charges by any means, but the recent hike in USPS charges has affected many sellers negatively. Coupled with feebay's new passive aggressive "shipping and handling" rating system, it's tough for some dealers to break even on shipping when you factor in packaging, etc.

    Sorry, rant over. image
  • i've had 2 items lost by usps in a matter of weeks....one was mailed july 5th..the other july 6th...anybody else have this problem?
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i've had 2 items lost by usps in a matter of weeks....one was mailed july 5th..the other july 6th...anybody else have this problem? >>



    A seller sent a package with DC (confirmed) but I never received it.

    He says it's my fault the package never made it to my mailbox image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Stown, fix the picture in your smiley face with the stick thing. It's really bothering me.
  • sagardsagard Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭
    It makes no difference how they insure the item. If they acknowledge you claim and make your claim whole I don't care how they do it.
  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i've had 2 items lost by usps in a matter of weeks....one was mailed july 5th..the other july 6th...anybody else have this problem? >>



    once is a mistake, 2 is a problem. What do you know about your missing items?
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  • JasP24JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll agree...the "other insurance is a scam" I just had it pulled on me buy a large seller on Ebay.

    Side note:...thanks for the great Reggie RC! Got it yesterday.

    mathew

    north of the border >>



    While I don't condone the use of the "other insurance" in lieu of charging buyers USPS insured shipping costs, there are other options besides the USPS for insuring sportscards in the mail.

    This company Collectibles Insurance Agency will insure your collection as well as any items you mail up to $2,500 for signature required and $200 without signature required. As long as the seller isn't misleading the buyer into thinking that he/she is paying for USPS insurance at USPS insurance rates, I don't see a problem with it. In fact, in my experience, it's a much faster refund than getting one through the USPS if your items are lost or damaged.

    Jason
    I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit,
    according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
  • JasP24JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do e-bay cardboard powerhouses like dsl or 4sc or 4 sharp corners baseball or 4 sharp corners store or new england sportscards or shaqfu (red zone sportscards) make profit from selling graded cards or from the charges associated with mailing cards or both?

    i support all these dealers, trust me, but just wonder how much profit they realize every quarter or year or whatever?

    i am not bashing anybody, like i said, i support them, but simply wonder where they are most profitable?

    i will not state shipping charges for any of the companies, b/c i think they make look negative on my part, but i do wonder how much s/h helps them stay afloat or out of the red.

    julen >>



    If you factor in the cost of using/selling on ebay with listing fees and FVF's, plus the cost of bubble mailers and shipping supplies, not to mention to costs associated with accepting PayPal payments much of your additional profit from shipping is negligible IMO. Personally, I always factor the cost of shipping into my bid..So if they charge more to ship, my bid is lower.

    Its really not hard to make money in the grading game if you 1) Have a low cost provider of raw material, 2) Know which cards and what sets give you the most bang for your buck, and 3) Pay reduced grading fees to PSA. The dealers you mentioned do this on a VERY large scale. If I can make 15-20% profit busting a box or 2 and paying regular PSA grading fees just imagine what your profit would be if you are spending $100,000+ a month on busting boxes and getting them graded?

    Jason
    I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit,
    according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
  • envoy98envoy98 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭
    I used the auctiva insurance...it was by accident and I was quite confused what the heck was going on, but it seems to be ok. I had put USPS rates on my auctions and a few people elected insurance. Auctiva has you send them an email stating you are purchasing insurance. Auctiva then has you fund your "insurance account" on their site where they purchase said insurance. The claims process looks to be much simpler and more forgiving. I didn't have anyone complain they didn't receive their item with regular USPS insurance so I'm assuming the email that Auctiva sends has complete information.

    As for what 4SC and the like make...their shipping charges are high. No question, but for me, it boils down to the fact that it comes insured, it comes very fast, I always get feedback and they provide a service I can take advantage of... Do they make money on it? sure, they probably make a fair amount of money on it. But they also let you wait 14 days to pay before saying anything which has allowed me to win multiple cards over a 3 week listing period and get them all shipped together which has helped to offset the costs.
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Someone mentioned an insurance jar on here once. They charged people for insurance and stuck the money in the jar. If a claim was ever filled they paid with the money in the jar. I think they said nobody had claimed thus far.
  • i've had 2 items lost by usps in a matter of weeks....one was mailed july 5th..the other july 6th...anybody else have this problem?

    Neither of those are considered lost yet by USPS policies.. I have had some slow shipping times recently, I think it could be due to the flooding in Texas and Oklahoma.

    As far as third party insurance many sellers self insure or pay a service such as Upic to insure the item their rates are generally cheaper and are easier to deal with when it comes to filing a claim than the USPS.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    'll agree...the "other insurance is a scam" I just had it pulled on me buy a large seller on Ebay.

    lol some of you guys make me laff. how is it a scam if the seller PAYS out if your item is lost or damaged? Does it matter if he/she insures thru USPS, some other 3rd party insurer, or self insures. The bottom line is you are covered.

    and fwiw I doubt very much that the guys you have stated above are makingall there money from the shipping.

    Some of you guys need to take a course in business admin. or run a business.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    i agree 100% with winpitcher.. you cant call it a scam unless you've been scammed, meaning you bought insurance, didnt receive product, and the seller refused to honor his insurance.. otherwise, it is not a scam, it's insurance..
    ·p_A·
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    A seller sent a package with DC (confirmed) but I never received it.

    He says it's my fault the package never made it to my mailbox.

    This recently happened to me. Both within the same month 2 months ago.
    Both items from different sellers both using Paypal printed DC slip. I didn't receive
    either package and to this date, both DC #s still say "the post office was notified electronically
    blah blah blah". One seller was cool about it, and the other wasn't. I got refunds on both
    from paypal.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Stown, fix the picture in your smiley face with the stick thing. It's really bothering me. >>



    Ask and 'ye shall receive.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • chaz43chaz43 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>So they are charging you $4.00 for appr $1.25 in postal fees plus the padded envelope. >>



    Not to nitpick, but USPS First Class shipping with delivery confirmation for a 3 oz package rings in at $2.22 and a 2 oz package is at $2.05. Not defending the $4 in charges by any means, but the recent hike in USPS charges has affected many sellers negatively. Coupled with feebay's new passive aggressive "shipping and handling" rating system, it's tough for some dealers to break even on shipping when you factor in packaging, etc.

    Sorry, rant over. image >>




    Totally agree. You guys think sellers are "making it" on shipping? Give me a break. Be happy with the card you receive and quit nitpicking Julen. chaz
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Much better. I think I've broken the record for most quotes used in a sig line. I rule.

    Now julen, change your new avatar to something else. It's creeping me out. The avatar and sig line god has spoken.
  • earlycalguyearlycalguy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭
    if sharp corners is using CIA for insurance that's a smart move on their part. as a buyer as long as you get what you paid for - who cares if iit's handled thru usps which can take months for a claim or if its with CIA where claims take much less time. it's not like they are getting CIA insurance for free. their premium is probably several thousand a year for the volume they do on a dealer policy at CIA.

    DSL normally uses UPS for shipping and caps out at $8 max - that can be a bargain if you win several cards. I've shopped at DSL for a month and they let me keep the invoice open.
  • I like the old julen avatar
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    in response to the earlier upps lost stuff, they lost a psa 5 ya tittle 50 bowman football for me that i sold a month ago,seems every since the postal increase their service has gotten worse, at least its that way with me, guess illl just take a negaive lol, a little negativity never hurt anybody lol,sure not gonna hurt my feedback score one bit
    Randy
  • i guess i was lucky so to speak....they lost an 89 score fb set(seller emailed me the po receipt showing my zip) and a lot of 25 unopened packs of bible cards(seller emailed me showing when they were sent)oddly one was mailed 07-05 the other 07-06..both were coming out of the northeast so the texas floods probably didnt have anything to do with it...i'm in alabama...i have rec someone else's order b4 when i was like the 2nd highest bidder and seller sent to me instead of highest bidder..but i forwarded to the winner and pd shipping myself..maybe everybody dont do this...maybe somebody else got my cards...
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