We got scammed out of $3300 :(

danglen

True, over the past few months we received seven orders from this guy. Unfortunately, he was paying with stolen credit cards, so we have no recourse, even though the transactions were approved by the credit card processor. Just in case anyone else in the forum gets any orders from this individual, here are his credentials.

Multiple attempts to purchase banknotes and coins with different stolen credit card (numbers) have been made by:

Mister / Domnului* / Monsieur: Pavel Andreica (also known as: Florin Andreica; Pauel Andreca; Pawel Andreca)
19, rue Theodore de Banville
F-75017 Paris
France

His emails used in the scam/fraud attempts: orasul@voila.fr & destept@voila.fr & SMENUIT@YAHOO.COM
Update: CURVAR@VOILA.FR (June 2007).

Telephone numbers used: 0633486115 // 0613976112 // 0033666191330.

Date of the attempt of fraud: 9 May 2006; 16 June 2006; 22 June 2006; 27 December 2006; 24 January 2007. Amount always
around US$ 500-600. Originating IP addresses: 81.67.150.73 // 80.13.246.202 // 80.118.183.158 // 80.118.183.157 are located
in Paris, France. Last known scam attempt date(he placed orders with many dealers): 15th March 2007.

* / "domnului" = "mister" in Romanian language.

BEWARE, it's very scary out there!

coinpictures

Because the cards were indeed stolen, don't the credit card company and/or processor bear some of the responsibility?

It doesn't seem right that the merchant should bear 100% of the loss, especially since you had no way of verifying that the cards were indeed stolen. You're relying on the processor/card company...

danglen

<< <i> Because the cards were indeed stolen, don't the credit card company and/or processor bear some of the responsibility?

It doesn't seem right that the merchant should bear 100% of the loss, especially since you had no way of verifying that the cards were indeed stolen. You're relying on the processor/card company... >>



Well, here we have the classic Catch-22 situation.....With the exception of the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom, no countries have AVS (Address Verification Systems) in place, so the credit card addresses cannot be verified. If I turn on the AVS feature in my international credit card orders as a requirement for credit card approval, I would never have an international order approved, but because I don't choose the AVS (that doesn't exist) as a requirement, the fraud is totally my loss.

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>Because the cards were indeed stolen, don't the credit card company and/or processor bear some of the responsibility? >>



Sadly, not for the merchant. Credit Card companies most likely will compensate the person, who's card was used fraudulently, but not the merchant where it was used.

Sorry to hear about your financial loss, danglen.

danglen

<< <i> Credit Card companies most likely will compensate the person >>



Actually, the Credit Card companies will NOT compensate the victim. The merchant does, which means that I not only lost the $3300 from my account, but of course, the merchandise as well. A big double hit!

CIVITAS

Hi Dan,

He is a known scam artist among some dealer circles. I'm sorry he got you for so much. He stung a few Vcoins dealers for over $1000.00. Unfortunatley, there's not much that can be done due to the fact that it's international and the French authorities generally couldn't care less. But, I do know someone with contacts in France who is putting together a case and working with a police officer (I believe) in Paris. PM me if you'd like his contact info.

LouisCamp

He ordered from my website too, I did a google search on his address and email and found a lot of bogus information. I was lucky not to send the jerk anything. His address is a hotel.

Lou

IloiloKano

Sorry for your loss, and I empathize due to a loss of my own, but not nearly as great. However, I visited your web site as a result, and have added it to my bookmarks, though I was a bit disappointed not to find more US-PI coinage in the world coins section. Still, I will be checking regularly.

dcarr

See updated post in this forum regarding concept dollars stolen in France.

Meiji

<< <i>Actually, the Credit Card companies will NOT compensate the victim. The merchant does, which means that I not only lost the $3300 from my account, but of course, the merchandise as well. A big double hit! >>




WHAT???? Wow, that sucks, sorry for your loss.

DoubleEagle59

I'm sorry for your loss.

I use to work in the diamond industry and we always NEVER took credit card sales from overseas orders.

Only bank wire transfers.

I believe it is the only safe way of doing business overseas.

ozzysdad47

Danglen, I'm sorry to hear it, I don't know why more people can't do a good honest transaction, It's a hard lesson to learn, Best regard's , ozzysdad47..............

wybrit

Dan, sorry to learn about your loss.

It makes one doubly nervous about dealing with overseas buyers when the rules are stacked so much against the seller. The nasty thing about this is how international scammers continue to get away with it because our laws do not apply to them. . I hope they catch that *$%#@%&amp;.