Let's go back to the 2001 NFL Draft, shall we?
gosteelers
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And the San Diego Chargers select Michael Vick from Virginia Tech. Boy, did they make the right choice trading down for Tomlinson! Granted, Tomlinson has been light years better than Vick his whole career, but this indictment just brings this into focus even more...
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<< <i>And the San Diego Chargers select Michael Vick from Virginia Tech. Boy, did they make the right choice trading down for Tomlinson! Granted, Tomlinson has been light years better than Vick his whole career, but this indictment just brings this into focus even more... >>
Sort of reminds me of the important decision that the Colts made in taking Peyton Manning over Ryan Leaf.
You can take the guy out of the hood but you cannot take the hood out of him.
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You can take the guy out of the hood but you cannot take the hood out of him. >>
put a hood on that MF'er and shoot his POS a$$ in the face
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You can take the guy out of the hood but you cannot take the hood out of him. >>
put a hood on that MF'er and shoot his POS a$$ in the face
A good ole' fashioned hanging might do the trick as well! Old South! Ya know what I meen!
Idiot.
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You can take the guy out of the hood but you cannot take the hood out of him. >>
put a hood on that MF'er and shoot his POS a$$ in the face
A good ole' fashioned hanging might do the trick as well! Old South! Ya know what I meen!
wow
<< <i>Yeah, it's a real shame that lynching is no longer part of the culture.
Idiot. >>
I hope your calling Vick the idiot? For anyone that would put animals through that kind of treatment deserves to get lynched..
<< <i>Fine, Vick's the idiot. You're just a piece of excrement. >>
OH Im sorry I didnt realize you approve of animal cruelty.
You must be one of the Boyz in the hood huh? Dirtbag
<< <i>Of course I don't approve of animal cruelty - though I'd be willing to bet that most people here tacitly give it their approval through the consumption of meat - but to even jokingly suggest that lynching is an appropriate penalty for running an illegal dogfighting ring reveals quite a bit about you. >>
Buddy, take a break for a second... I was kinda joking? If your offended well too bad but for the record forcing anything in a pit to fight to the death and getting it ready beforehand by starvation? Kepping it in a small cage so it can barely move? Then to top it off strangling or drowning the half dead animal to finish it off? Maybe you dont understand the dynamics of what is involved with this? Yes I think someone should be hung for this type of behavior, do I think it should be a part of our culture? Heck no! Maybe you not seeing the seriousness of this says alot about you...
<< <i>Kepping it in a small cage so it can barely move? >>
Mmmmmm, grilled veal chop.
And very little offends me, not even your idiotic comments about lynching.
<< <i>I do see the seriousness of it, but I don't see it as a capital offense. I also find it a tad hypocritical that people take the moral high ground on Vick's activities while blithely consuming 100 bazillion Big Macs a year.
And very little offends me, not even your idiotic comments about lynching. >>
Tell you what, why not go to the grocery store and buy some vegetables and make yourself feel better. Weirdo
<< <i>I think I'll shut up now, as there's just no defense for that clever salvo. >>
Thank you. I was getting a little dumbfounded how you can compare eating a bigmac to dog fighting.
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<< <i>I think I'll shut up now, as there's just no defense for that clever salvo. >>
Thank you. I was getting a little dumbfounded how you can compare eating a bigmac to dog fighting. >>
Are big macs even made of real animal meat? They taste like a greasy sponge, so I figured that is what they were made of.
As far as consuming meat and somehow comparing it to the actions of Vick, my family raised & slaughtered cattle for years. We never put them through anything traumatizing before they were killed, other than possibly not letting them hump a female as often as they may have liked. They were killed as quickly & humanely as any animal can be. I do understand some farms & slaughterhouses are different, but most animals get very good food and good treatment before they're killed. Veal is an exception, but I honestly have never eaten it and it's mainly because I don't approve of the methods used. No moral high horse, just my way to protest it.
Vicks actions are clearly from someone with no morality or conscience. I think these kinds of actions deserve the same treatment in return, but I guess I'm just a good ol' "hand for a hand" kind of guy... So if he were tossed on a "rape pole" and humped for hours by dogs, then starved in a small cage for quite a while, next tossed into a pit to fight until he's severely injured and finally finished off by being drowned... I wouldn't shed a tear. My only question to him would be, "So how does it feel?".
<< <i> Vick's actions are indefensible, but I don't believe they are that different from that of the majority of industrial farming operations. >>
Nobody is defending Vick here, and if he did indeed commit these crimes he will serve hard time in a federal prison. But some of these comments I'm reading are downright scary. With that mentality, we should have strung up those Duke lacrosse players, right? I get the feeling, however, that the posters here gave them the benefit of the doubt because they are white.
It is odd, though, that people are getting so worked up about cruelty to dogs when the food we eat are not taken care of much better. Go to a chicken slaughterhouse and see how they are bound, feet together, hung upside down, and their throats cut to bleed to death...this after being packed cages so tightly they cannot move.
But you look like a Nobel Laureate compared to rube.
p.s. if God didnt want us to eat meat,he wouldnt have made it taste so good lol
yawiee-dont worry about the farms and big macs, we cant even save us from ourselves
And where do I equate eating Big Macs with operating an illegal dogfighting ring? My point, which obviously was lost upon those whose worldview is informed by chain e-mails erroneously attributed to George Carlin, was that it's hypocritical to condemn Vick while not thinking critically about our often horrific treatment of animals in other venues.
Editted to add... Please read SteveK's attachment of the story in the other thread. After reading the grisly details I gotta say I think all that are involved should be given similar treatment if guilty.
Story Highlights
Indictment: Dogs not performing well were shot, hanged, electrocuted
Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick set for bond hearing, arraignment next week
Falcons sorry that Vick was "presented to the public in a negative way"
Vick, aka "Ookie," took part in killing numerous dogs, according to indictment
(CNN) -- Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick will go before a federal court in Richmond, Virginia, next week on charges that he participated in a dogfighting ring spanning at least nine states, the court said Wednesday.
Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick could face six years in prison if convicted.
1 of 2 Vick will attend a bond hearing before U.S. District Judge Dennis W. Dohnal on July 26 before heading to an arraignment in front of U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson, according to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia.
The Falcons are slated to kick off training camp on the same day.
Vick, 27, and three others were indicted Tuesday on charges of conspiracy in a dogfighting operation that included transporting pit bulls across state lines for illegal prize fights.
If convicted on the federal charges, Vick could find himself behind bars for up to six years, in addition to being fined $350,000, according to the federal court.
According to the 19-page indictment, Vick and his co-defendants are accused of training pit bulls and organizing prize fights in which dogs that weren't up to snuff were executed, sometimes by hanging or electrocution. Watch how the charges could affect Vick's career »
The Falcons star went by the code name "Ookie" and participated in or OK'd the killing of numerous dogs, the indictment states. Vick and his co-defendants killed eight dogs as recently as April, the indictment states.
Some dogs were killed after being "rolled," a process by which dogs are tested to determine if they are ferocious fighters. However, in one case, a female pit bull was injured in a fight that cost Vick and his co-defendants $13,000, according to the indictment.
After Vick was consulted about the canine's condition, one of his co-defendants "executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal," the indictment states.
Various other methods were used to kill dogs that fought or tested poorly, including hanging, drowning, shooting, and in at least one case, slamming the dog to the ground, the indictment says.
The indictment alleges that the Falcons phenom and his cohorts engaged in other disturbing practices and that a raid on a home in Virginia uncovered items like "breaking sticks" -- used for prying fighting dogs' jaws apart -- and a "rape stand" used to tie down aggressive female dogs for breeding.
Fifty-four American pit bull terriers also were found on the property during the April 25 raid on the Smithfield, Virginia, home formerly owned by Vick, according to the indictment. Smithfield is about 30 miles west of the Norfolk area where Vick grew up.
Vick allegedly paid $34,000 for the home in June 2001, several weeks after the Falcons drafted him. Soon after, he and his cohorts began buying and training pit bulls for a fighting and breeding outfit called "Bad Newz Kennels," according to the indictment.
Details of several fights are included in the indictment, which states that pit bulls with names like "Maniac," "Trouble" and "Junior Mafia" were pitted against each other for pots ranging from $1,000 to $26,000, the indictment states.
The indictment further states that about $112,000 was exchanged over the outcomes of 16 fights featuring dogs owned or handled by "Bad Newz Kennels."
Twice, the indictment states, Vick personally delivered the kitty to the winning dogs' owners. On one occasion around March 2003, Vick handed over a book bag filled with $23,000 to a dog owner who had won two fights that day.
The indictment says the unnamed dog owner is now one of at least three cooperating witnesses in the case against Vick and his co-defendants.
Vick did not immediately comment on the indictment, but he has previously said that he had a kennel operation on the property, but had no involvement in or knowledge of a dogfighting ring.
No arrest warrants have been issued, and Vick and the other defendants -- Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, Virginia; Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, Georgia; and Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia -- have not been taken into custody, said Jim Rybicki, a spokesman for U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg.
Vick, a dazzling prospect from Virginia Tech, was taken at the No. 1 spot in the National Football League's 2001 draft. In December 2004, he signed a 10-year contract extension with the Falcons worth a potential $130 million. The deal included a $37 million signing bonus.
Falcons officials said Tuesday they were troubled by the charges against Vick.
"Our club and team will continue to be tested as Michael works through the legal process toward a conclusion," the Falcons said in a statement. "We are prepared to deal with it, and we will do the right thing for our club as the legal process plays out."
The statement added, "We are disappointed that one of our players -- and therefore the Falcons -- is being presented to the public in a negative way, and we apologize to our fans and the community for that."
This is not the first time the highest-paid player in the NFL has been presented in a negative light.
He has been accused of transmitting genital herpes to a woman and using the alias Ron Mexico so he could get treated secretly for the ailment. He earned the ire of his hometown fans after flipping them the bird after a Falcons loss.
He was criticized for missing a chance to speak on Capitol Hill about after-school programs. And earlier this year, authorities investigated Vick after confiscating a water bottle with a secret compartment containing a substance that Miami airport authorities said looked and smelled like marijuana.
A National Football League spokesman said the latest allegations against Vick would be reviewed under the NFL's personal conduct policy.
"We are disappointed that Michael Vick has put himself in a position where a federal grand jury has returned an indictment against him," said spokesman Brian McCarthy. "We will continue to closely monitor developments in this case and to cooperate with law enforcement authorities." E-mail to a friend
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read all this-pretty clear cut and dry-ive only heard it on the news every half hour all day now-till they find a new kick too get on-they run on in the ground and then another nut comes out and does something stupid so they gotta talk about it everyday for 24-48 hours-nothng but bad news on tv anymore-better to watch andy griffith or cartoons , they never have said who the other 3 people are yet facing the same charges,but they dropped a dime on him for all of it im sure to get a lesser sentence!
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If Vick were white, would the word lynching be as offensive, or would it even be applicable.
I know perk was definately joking, beyond a
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<< <i>The lynching comment, even in jest, is in poor taste. To suggest otherwise is ignorance, pure and simple. And to suggest shooting someone in the face, or hanging someone, for allegations of a crime is just as ignorant.
Nobody is defending Vick here, and if he did indeed commit these crimes he will serve hard time in a federal prison. But some of these comments I'm reading are downright scary. With that mentality, we should have strung up those Duke lacrosse players, right? I get the feeling, however, that the posters here gave them the benefit of the doubt because they are white.
It is odd, though, that people are getting so worked up about cruelty to dogs when the food we eat are not taken care of much better. Go to a chicken slaughterhouse and see how they are bound, feet together, hung upside down, and their throats cut to bleed to death...this after being packed cages so tightly they cannot move. >>
Duke versus Vick, black versus white, blah, blah, blah... I could care less about Vick being black. To me, it's more than obvious he was involved and the fact there's a FEDERAL indictment pretty much assures this. As many know, it's said that the difficult part when dealing with the feds is actually getting the indictment. If that happens, they have some obscene success rate for prosecution which means more than enough evidence. These are some sick MF'ers and black OR WHITE, I hope EVERYONE involved gets into some serious trouble. You're a sick SOB if you've done any of the stuff reported that witnesses are saying. You know, if a dog loses and needs to be shot... fine. Do it quick and get it over with. But electrocuted, drowned... hung??? If you're sick enough to do that morbid sh*t, you're probably on your way to doing something worse.
As far as me saying "shoot him in the face", that was with the assumption this POS is guilty which he obviously is IMO. But maybe I meant to shoot him with a water pistol or a rubber band. You assumed I meant something else, which is ignorant