Please block this user from your ebay auctions my autograph came back as fake.

gil

After being described as genuine. I filed a paypal dispute. here is the email received by psa and from the seller.

This the email I just sent paypal

I used the 'QUICK OPINION" service from psa/dna.com http://www.psadna.com/ They have a pay service that either deems the item "likely genuine" or "likely nor genuine" this is from the same authentication company the seller recommended. here is the result of their findings released today.

Dear tracey gardner, Your Request for Item "muhammad ali autographed photo", Ebay Item No. "130134532553", opinion was rendered at "7/14/2007 5:11:51 PM" and the result was: Response: "Likely Not Genuine" Here are the details of your Request: Comments: Request ID: 44305 Request By: 07/16/2007 Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!.

here also is a copy of the email the seller sent me regarding a refund if it came back not genuine as described in the auction.

Response from bud76jones
bud76jones( 1007)
Positive feedback: 99.2%
Member since: Mar-03-99
Location: IN, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com


Item: Authentic Autograph Muhammed Ali Picture Photo (120136598812)
This message was sent after the listing closed.
bud76jones is the seller.



Your dealer is mistaken send it to psa/dna and have it evaluated . If they say its a fake I'll refund your money. This autogragh is over 25 years old and his signature has changed with his developed parkinson's disease. This was bought from a reputable dealer and until a qualified specialist in the field says it is a fake there will be no refund. I have collected over 30 years and have over 500,00 ball cards and would not have sold any of my autos or cards if my cancer wasn't maligant.
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I am now asking for paypal to escalate the disoute. i have tried to contact the seller per conatct seller info on ebay website and received this email
Contact Information for bud76jones :

User ID: bud76jones
Registered Since: Wednesday, Mar 03, 1999 15:48:09 PST.

I escalated the claim to paypal

I tried to call the contact number and received no answer. Now, since the auction was described as genuine and since the seller ASSURED ME that he would refund my money if it was not genuine by the company HE recommended and since I complied and the item came back "likley not genuine" I am reqesting a full refund. I have complied with all the conditions set before me.

alifaxwa2

Quick Opinion isn't an official opinion, I wouldn't refund your money either until you actually mail it in to PSA/DNA.

gil

So your'e saying that I have to invest the almost $100.00 to get the same answer from the comapny HE RECOMMENDED ?. if that's the case he can keep it and i'll just chalk it up to him being a petty deceptive crook. it's not the 90.00, It's the fact that he was blatant, he said it was genuine, I get no answer on his phone, nothing more than a petty common crook.

stevek

<< <i>After being described as genuine. I filed a paypal dispute. here is the email received by psa and from the seller.

This the email I just sent paypal

I used the 'QUICK OPINION" service from psa/dna.com http://www.psadna.com/ They have a pay service that either deems the item "likely genuine" or "likely nor genuine" this is from the same authentication company the seller recommended. here is the result of their findings released today.

Dear tracey gardner, Your Request for Item "muhammad ali autographed photo", Ebay Item No. "130134532553", opinion was rendered at "7/14/2007 5:11:51 PM" and the result was: Response: "Likely Not Genuine" Here are the details of your Request: Comments: Request ID: 44305 Request By: 07/16/2007 Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!.

here also is a copy of the email the seller sent me regarding a refund if it came back not genuine as described in the auction.

Response from bud76jones
bud76jones( 1007)
Positive feedback: 99.2%
Member since: Mar-03-99
Location: IN, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com


Item: Authentic Autograph Muhammed Ali Picture Photo (120136598812)
This message was sent after the listing closed.
bud76jones is the seller.



Your dealer is mistaken send it to psa/dna and have it evaluated . If they say its a fake I'll refund your money. This autogragh is over 25 years old and his signature has changed with his developed parkinson's disease. This was bought from a reputable dealer and until a qualified specialist in the field says it is a fake there will be no refund. I have collected over 30 years and have over 500,00 ball cards and would not have sold any of my autos or cards if my cancer wasn't maligant.
Respond to this question

I am now asking for paypal to escalate the disoute. i have tried to contact the seller per conatct seller info on ebay website and received this email
Contact Information for bud76jones :

User ID: bud76jones
Name: Michael T Cox
Company:
City: KENDALLVILLE
State: IN
Country: United States
Phone: (260) 347-1658
Registered Since: Wednesday, Mar 03, 1999 15:48:09 PST.

I escalated the claim to paypal

I tried to call the contact number and received no answer. Now, since the auction was described as genuine and since the seller ASSURED ME that he would refund my money if it was not genuine by the company HE recommended and since I complied and the item came back "likley not genuine" I am reqesting a full refund. I have complied with all the conditions set before me. >>




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130134532553&ru=http://search-completed.ebay.com:80/130134532553_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfclZ3QQfisZ2QQfromZR7QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1

The seller ended this listing early because of an error in the listing.

gil

That was my relisting. I was going to resell but after it came back fake , I ended it.

WinPitcher

Gil

Your auto did not come back as fake.

a quick opinion is basically meaningless for Ali.

I'm not saying the auto is good or bad, but you seem (to me anyway) to be jumping the gun.

The guy even says he will refund your dough if it comes back fake

Your dealer is mistaken send it to psa/dna and have it evaluated . If they say its a fake I'll refund your money.

Send it in to them and see.


ahhhhhhhhh You were doing a quick flip. Now I do not know what to tell you.

Steve

stevek

<< <i>That was my relisting. I was going to resell but after it came back fake , I ended it. >>




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120136598812&ru=http://search-completed.ebay.com:80/120136598812_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfclZ3QQfisZ2QQfromZR7QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1

Shrink

Looks like in your auction you are just selling a copy of the original.

MuckyMutt

<< <i>So your'e saying that I have to invest the almost $100.00 to get the same answer from the comapny HE RECOMMENDED ?. if that's the case he can keep it and i'll just chalk it up to him being a petty deceptive crook. it's not the 90.00, It's the fact that he was blatant, he said it was genuine, I get no answer on his phone, nothing more than a petty common crook. >>



Me thinks you whine too much...

Let's see, you bought an unauthenticated auto on ebay, get a cheap quick opinion, try to do a quick flip, and do nothing but complain. You also had an earlier thread questioning the authenticity of this auto. Why did you buy it? Just to give people a hard time? If you wanted a real auto, you could have bought one that was already PSA/DNA authenticated. But then I guess you could not have flipped it for a quick profit.

Sorry - no sympathy here.

BTW, the seller could have honestly believed it was real. And until you submit it to PSA for authentication, you don't really know if it is or not.

Now quit your whining...

ps- added to my blocked bidders list (OP has 97.5% feedback, LOL)

grote15

I think the seller is being more than reasonable here--he's promised a refund if the auto comes back from PSA/DNA as fake. What more can you want? The "Quick Opinion" service is not definitive, especially for a sig like this one.

WinPitcher

Geez that was some pic too. Would you have bought a coin with that pic ?

Steve

dthigpen

Gil, why are you lying to everyone?

chb

Bottom line: You relisted the item the second it arrived. Nothing wrong with trying to turn a profit, but if you wanted to be sure it was authentic, as both a buyer & a seller, you should not have relisted it until it had been authenticated.

As a seller of *authentic* signed sports memorabilia, I side with the buyer 99% of the time when it comes to ebay. But this is just a simple case of "sour grapes." You bought and *relisted* a questionable item & now are p-ssed—not that you may have been had, but that you can't turn a profit.

Don't buy it if you aren't sure, and DON'T LIST IT if you aren't sure.

EagleEyeKid

Not to take any sides on this matter, but can someone please
explain the "quick opinion" thing to me? Isn't the quick opinion done by PSA/DNA for $20
or something, or is by another division of CU; or is it even done by PSA? Someone
edumacate me. Thx.

TNTonPMS

Let me try to explain what happened to me with my 1932 NY Yankees Team signed baseball , maybe this will help you out .
A similar thing happened to me , I walked into a Memorabilia store in my neighborhood looking to get my baseballs authenticated , because none of them have ever been seen, other than the family and friends , They did the same exact thing only they sent pictures to JSA , when they got back to me to make a long story short , the 1932 they said was a forgery , but the others were authentic , Well, I almost died , obviously looking upset , the gentleman in the store said , well they are comming in a few weeks , you might as well bring the others in to get certificates for them , so I did , while I was there , I asked if they would look at the 32 again, so I go to the car , grab the baseball and took it into the shop , He looks at the baseball and says . . . .HOLD ON ! This definitely deserves a second look, The pictures that were sent to me , did not look anything like this , I want a couple of other people with more experience on Babe Ruth signatures to have a look at this , long story short . . .It came back as authentic and they sent me the LOA's in the mail .

So . . . take your time and try not to jump the gun .
They really have to see and hold the item .

stown

<< <i>Not to take any sides on this matter, but can someone please
explain the "quick opinion" thing to me? Isn't the quick opinion done by PSA/DNA for $20
or something, or is by another division of CU; or is it even done by PSA? Someone
edumacate me. Thx. >>



For +/- $10, PSA/DNA will review an auction and give a quick opinion (ie "likely genuine"). You still have to send it in if you want an official opinion, along with a LOA and/or encapsluation.

JeremyDie1

Gil. This was obvious. Like some else said would you buy a coin with a crap pic like tis. Wake up. Whats wrong with you. I hate to see your coins.

Russ

<< <i>Bottom line: You relisted the item the second it arrived. Nothing wrong with trying to turn a profit, but if you wanted to be sure it was authentic, as both a buyer & a seller, you should not have relisted it until it had been authenticated. >>



He didn't list it to sell it. He listed it in order to avail himself of the quick opinion service at PSA. Once he got the opinion, he ended it. I don't know why he lied about that.

Russ, NCNE

jmbkb4

When will people learn to not buy from idiots with feedback scores of 97%?

WinPitcher

I did not know that one had to list an item on ebay inorder to use the quick opinion thingy.

We can only go by what a person says, Gil says he listed it to sell, why would we think otherwise?

Steve

WinPitcher

I agree with Gil this is not a seller I would do business with, crappy photo and sucky feedback score = No biddy from Win

Thanks for the heads up.

Steve

Russ

<< <i>I did not know that one had to list an item on ebay inorder to use the quick opinion thingy. >>



Yep, the item has to be listed in order to use the service. There was extensive discussion about this at another forum before Gil listed it. Frankly, I'm baffled as to why he didn't just simply say that.

Russ, NCNE

lawnmowerman

<< <i>

<< <i>Bottom line: You relisted the item the second it arrived. Nothing wrong with trying to turn a profit, but if you wanted to be sure it was authentic, as both a buyer & a seller, you should not have relisted it until it had been authenticated. >>



He didn't list it to sell it. He listed it in order to avail himself of the quick opinion service at PSA. Once he got the opinion, he ended it. I don't know why he lied about that.

Russ, NCNE >>



Or better yet, get the quik opinion while the listing was still active by the original seller. This way the whole transaction could have been avoided.

WinPitcher

Maybe he was doing both? listing it for the opinion and to sell it?

If it 'came back' likely authentic he would have let the auction ride?

in any event, one flew over the cuckoos nest is on AMC so i'm off to watch it.


Steve

Russ

<< <i>Or better yet, get the quik opinion while the listing was still active by the original seller. This way the whole transaction could have been avoided. >>



Yep, that's the best approach. But, Gil didn't know about the service until he'd already bought it. The members at the other forum questioned its authenticity and suggested he list it and get the PSA opinion.

Russ, NCNE