BVG Babe Ruth

Oimbotb · July 12, 2007 9:33AM

If you had this card, would you cross it over to PSA? Or would you leave it as is?

Babe Ruth - BVG

goose3 · July 12, 2007 9:34AM

I'd sure try to cross it over before I sold it.

I sure wouldn't buy it with that tiny scan on ebay though.

lawnmowerman · July 12, 2007 9:36AM

<< I'd sure try to cross it over before I sold it.

I sure wouldn't buy it with that tiny scan on ebay though. >>

My thoughts as well.

Too risky to buy high dollar vintage in beckett slabs

bluemarlin · July 12, 2007 9:38AM

If I was looking for a Ruth I would buy one already graded by PSA.

dizzle · July 12, 2007 9:49AM

<< 

<< I'd sure try to cross it over before I sold it.

I sure wouldn't buy it with that tiny scan on ebay though. >>

My thoughts as well.

Too risky to buy high dollar vintage in beckett slabs >>

why? Too risky to buy high dollar vintage in beckett slabs

Oimbotb · July 12, 2007 9:52AM

Would you crack and resubmit? OR send it in as is?

DerekD · July 12, 2007 9:52AM

I would cross it over to PSA before I sold it.

I also would leave out the part where I say I'm going to give the buyer a surcharge if they use Paypal. The auction should get pulled pretty quick.

originalisbest · July 12, 2007 9:53AM

Actually that doesn't appear to be a bad card at all. Assuming BVG was cognizant enough to note any hidden creases/wrinkles when grading, that could be one to go for. When the images are clicked, a little better-sized image appears.

Anyhoo, moot point, as any reasonable seller of a Ruth card should be willing to provide a larger scan to an interested bidder who contacts them, which is what I'd do if I wanted this card.

Do I want this card? Sure! Just can't afford it right now.

stown · July 12, 2007 9:53AM

Boooooooooooooooo at rover link

originalisbest · July 12, 2007 9:55AM

Unfortunately, you're quite right, the auction will get yanked quick if eBay catches that PayPal line... you can't say you'll accept it and then place restrictions on fees.

originalisbest · July 12, 2007 9:56AM

stown, I'm confused. Why the mad face?

BunchOBull · July 12, 2007 10:50AM

Gentlemen, I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I've been out of collecting for quite awhile. I got out before graded cards became what they are today. My question, why would anyone want to resubmit a card from Beckett Vintage Grading to PSA? Is Beckett's grading system not as thorough as PSA? Any explanation would be highly appreciated. Of the graded cards I own, none are Beckett graded, and 95% are PSA, but I had always assumed Beckett to be of high quality.

dizzle · July 12, 2007 10:54AM

<< Gentlemen, I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I've been out of collecting for quite awhile. I got out before graded cards became what they are today. My question, why would anyone want to resubmit a card from Beckett Vintage Grading to PSA? Is Beckett's grading system not as thorough as PSA? Any explanation would be highly appreciated. Of the graded cards I own, none are Beckett graded, and 95% are PSA, but I had always assumed Beckett to be of high quality. >>

because you are on a psa board. go to the sgc board they will claim sgc is the best. then go to the beckett site and they will say bgs is the best....with that being said no one on here can offer a TRUE valid reason why one is better than the other its just preference and easy to talk down other companies. whom you do not invest in.

lawnmowerman · July 12, 2007 11:10AM

<< 

<< Gentlemen, I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I've been out of collecting for quite awhile. I got out before graded cards became what they are today. My question, why would anyone want to resubmit a card from Beckett Vintage Grading to PSA? Is Beckett's grading system not as thorough as PSA? Any explanation would be highly appreciated. Of the graded cards I own, none are Beckett graded, and 95% are PSA, but I had always assumed Beckett to be of high quality. >>

because you are on a psa board. go to the sgc board they will claim sgc is the best. then go to the beckett site and they will say bgs is the best....with that being said no one on here can offer a TRUE valid reason why one is better than the other its just preference and easy to talk down other companies. whom you do not invest in. >>

bgs supporter I assume.

I'll go first. For 2 years all I bought was bgs cards only to be disappointed when they arrived. So called bgs 9.5's that would happily abide in psa 8 slabs. I have plenty of their garbage stowed away in my closet. Granted there are some good cards in ther slabs but for me the risk of buying them anymore is too high. I had a thread with scans of alot of them but I have since removed the pics.

All grading companies have their problems but for me psa has less than beckett

SoonerCowboy · July 12, 2007 11:13AM

Auction was ended early. I'm guessing because the listing indicated that a fee would be charged if Paypal was used. An Ebay violation.

RipublicaninMass · July 12, 2007 11:20AM

My ONE card from BVG came back as trimmed...it was sheet cut

BunchOBull · July 12, 2007 11:21AM

bgs supporter I assume.

BGS quality is up in the air to me, I own no graded cards by BGS. Of the few (20 or so) I have, they are mostly PSA with a few SGC.

lawnmowerman · July 12, 2007 11:24AM

<< bgs supporter I assume.

BGS quality is up in the air to me, I own no graded cards by BGS. Of the few (20 or so) I have, they are mostly PSA with a few SGC. >>

I was referring to drizzle

dizzle · July 12, 2007 11:45AM

<< 

<< 

<< Gentlemen, I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I've been out of collecting for quite awhile. I got out before graded cards became what they are today. My question, why would anyone want to resubmit a card from Beckett Vintage Grading to PSA? Is Beckett's grading system not as thorough as PSA? Any explanation would be highly appreciated. Of the graded cards I own, none are Beckett graded, and 95% are PSA, but I had always assumed Beckett to be of high quality. >>

because you are on a psa board. go to the sgc board they will claim sgc is the best. then go to the beckett site and they will say bgs is the best....with that being said no one on here can offer a TRUE valid reason why one is better than the other its just preference and easy to talk down other companies. whom you do not invest in. >>

bgs supporter I assume.

I'll go first. For 2 years all I bought was bgs cards only to be disappointed when they arrived. So called bgs 9.5's that would happily abide in psa 8 slabs. I have plenty of their garbage stowed away in my closet. Granted there are some good cards in ther slabs but for me the risk of buying them anymore is too high. I had a thread with scans of alot of them but I have since removed the pics.

All grading companies have their problems but for me psa has less than beckett >>

think what you want lawnmower....but just for the record i'm a suporter of psa,bgs/bvg, and sgc i feel comfortable with all 3 for the most part..(and i'm not here to argue who's better. but rather just read and share stories) i just think its funny a negative thread about bvg will get 50 replies to where to a gentlemen who posted earlier about resubbing his psa back for a sub bump was rejected (evidence of trimming) when it came straight from a psa slab. and he feels he may have more altered cards slabbed. needless to say that thread did not get much attention. i myself have had atleast 8 or 9 psa 10's come back bgs 9's and 1 8.5 and vice versa. so i don't do crossovers remember its all subjective and NO company is 100% perfect otherwise threads would not go poof over here everytime something is discovered. emmit gator card, specualtion on the famous honus wagner, ext. so please don't put your'e labels on me when you don't know me.. like bgs supporter. its rather ignorant.

stown · July 12, 2007 11:46AM

<< stown, I'm confused. Why the mad face? >>

Because it's a rover link, which is spam:

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-71/1?AID=5463217&PID=2239745&mpre=http://cgi.ebay.com/Babe-Ruth-1933-Goudey-144-BVG-4-VG-EX_W0QQitemZ220130165894QQihZ012QQcategoryZ31721QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

In case you didn't know about rover links, if someone were to have won the auction through the link he provided, he would have gotten a cut.

With him having a whopping 4 posts, it's without a doubt spam.

Boooooooooo!

^ That's why

lawnmowerman · July 12, 2007 11:53AM

<< 

<< 

<< 

<< Gentlemen, I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I've been out of collecting for quite awhile. I got out before graded cards became what they are today. My question, why would anyone want to resubmit a card from Beckett Vintage Grading to PSA? Is Beckett's grading system not as thorough as PSA? Any explanation would be highly appreciated. Of the graded cards I own, none are Beckett graded, and 95% are PSA, but I had always assumed Beckett to be of high quality. >>

because you are on a psa board. go to the sgc board they will claim sgc is the best. then go to the beckett site and they will say bgs is the best....with that being said no one on here can offer a TRUE valid reason why one is better than the other its just preference and easy to talk down other companies. whom you do not invest in. >>

bgs supporter I assume.

I'll go first. For 2 years all I bought was bgs cards only to be disappointed when they arrived. So called bgs 9.5's that would happily abide in psa 8 slabs. I have plenty of their garbage stowed away in my closet. Granted there are some good cards in ther slabs but for me the risk of buying them anymore is too high. I had a thread with scans of alot of them but I have since removed the pics.

All grading companies have their problems but for me psa has less than beckett >>

think what you want lawnmower....but just for the record i'm a suporter of psa,bgs/bvg, and sgc i feel comfortable with all 3 for the most part..(and i'm not here to argue who's better. but rather just read and share stories) i just think its funny a negative thread about bvg will get 50 replies to where to a gentlemen who posted earlier about resubbing his psa back for a sub bump was rejected (evidence of trimming) when it came straight from a psa slab. and he feels he may have more altered cards slabbed. needless to say that thread did not get much attention. i myself have had atleast 8 or 9 psa 10's come back bgs 9's and 1 8.5 and vice versa. so i don't do crossovers remember its all subjective and NO company is 100% perfect otherwise threads would not go poof over here everytime something is discovered. emmit gator card, specualtion on the famous honus wagner, ext. so please don't put your'e labels on me when you don't know me.. like bgs supporter. its rather ignorant. >>

Just one question, if you submit to bgs (like you said you do) that would make you a bgs supporter, correct?

dizzle · July 12, 2007 12:05PM

yes it would your'e 100% correct. but im not a bgs supporter that bags on other (top) grading companies and only supports ONE. i just don't want you or anyone else for that matter thinking im the southerncards of bgs. (yes i have been reading these boards for some time before posting) and by my first comments i "assume" that you assumed i only stated my opinion based on being a (bgs only) guy. but you know what they say when you assume.

lawnmowerman · July 12, 2007 12:10PM

<< yes it would your'e 100% correct. but im not a bgs supporter that bags on other (top) grading companies and only supports ONE. i just don't want you or anyone else for that matter thinking im the southerncards of bgs. (yes i have been reading these boards for some time before posting) and by my first comments i "assume" that you assumed i only stated my opinion based on being a (bgs only) guy. but you know what they say when you assume. >>

Its all good.

I am at psa because of past experiences dealing with and buying bgs slabs. I wasnt happy and went somwhere else.

Thats it in a nut-shell

matt

originalisbest · July 13, 2007 1:25AM

Thanks stown, I didn't know, and now I've learned something - thanks!

Stingray · July 13, 2007 2:14AM

Auction pulled!!

GlynRParson · July 13, 2007 3:05AM

If you think BVG is as good as either PSA or SGC I am sorry to inform you that they are not. They allow way to many trimmed and sheet cut cards into their holders, in my opinion, as well as the opinion of most of the knowledgable card people out there. And before you go labeling me a PSA apologist i suggest you read some of my recent posts ( of course some were on threads that went poof in the night). If they were as good why do their (BGS) vintage cards consistantly sell at heavily discounted prices to PSA and SGC when beckett certainly has the most name recognition?

goose3 · July 13, 2007 3:12AM

Certification of coins is very much like cards in that there are one or 2 companies that have really distanced themselves ahead of the rest due to their grading, authentication, value, guarantees, resale value, and last but not least Reputation. The list is rather simple for coins, PCGS and NGC, and just as simple for cards PSA and SGC.

Cards and coins, especially rare or expensive ones, housed in holders other than the ones pointed out will always be viewed with the attitude of "I wonder why that's not in a PSA/SGC holder".

dizzle · July 13, 2007 3:42AM

<< If you think BVG is as good as either PSA or SGC I am sorry to inform you that they are not. They allow way to many trimmed and sheet cut cards into their holders, in my opinion, as well as the opinion of most of the knowledgable card people out there. And before you go labeling me a PSA apologist i suggest you read some of my recent posts ( of course some were on threads that went poof in the night). If they were as good why do their (BGS) vintage cards consistantly sell at heavily discounted prices to PSA and SGC when beckett certainly has the most name recognition?

>>

i think the higher prices are not due to being "better graders" but rather.
PSA was the originators and took in a good amount of people early that have deep pockets. They are pretty hard minded and think if it is not PSA it is trash. they also have the best registry, and those same people that have the deep pockets are very competitive, therefor you see the higher realized value on the vintage as most say and in many cases. so why witch hunt a guy who has an opininion? i collect what i collect as you do I'M NOT GONNA SAY YOUR WRONG. simply because its not my place.. so you say bvg grades sheet cut cards others say psa slabs counterfeit ripken minors and emmitt gator cards. hmm. looks like both make mistakes.. but since they are human i guess that may happen from time to time.. its really stupid of me to try to explain any arguement here.. THAT IS TWO SIDED because only one side wants to be heard as i said i don't expect you to expose the faults of what you collect but rather what you don't. i wasn't trying to hurt nobodys feelings by expressing my opinion.

originalisbest · July 13, 2007 4:56AM

What goose says I agree 100% with - BUT, on a case-by-case basis, I feel this particular card would've been OK. Barring any severe creases/wrinkles. It was a VG-EX Ruth, borders seemed good, wear seemed appropriate, no sheet-cut card there... I would imagine it might cross over successfully to PSA. All that said, if I were to have bid on it, I would've needed a larger scan.

Jakt · July 15, 2007 12:29AM

It looks like he is trying again.....

optimism reins

jmbkb4 · July 15, 2007 12:33AM

"signed, your ebay friend jenny."

now doesn't that make you feel warm and fuzzy all over?

edited to add: forgot about xoxoxoxoxox

Jakt · July 30, 2007 1:36PM

He really wants to sell this card Looks like he got someone

Think its a shill? I really hope not. I have this card in the same grade.

BVG Babe Ruth

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