To resub, or not to resub. That is the question. 1968 Ernie Banks - Results are in.
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Just as a little background, I won this card at auction almost 5 years ago from DHCards during his yearly 3 week Christmastime auctions. Daniel seems to be really good with grading, and has nice descriptions of the card's history sometimes. I often read his descriptions if for nothing else, just to gain insight to a card's origins. Sometimes he'll even say things like "I don't know what SGC was thinking, but I can keep spending money on resubmitting." Or "This one definitely needs to be sent back in" (And not like the seller's that say that about every card they auction.) Daniel has even said "This should be an 8, not an 8.5" on very rare occasions. Anybody that watches Daniel's cards for those 3 weeks will know what I mean about his descriptions. I also find him to be very honest, and have lots of integrity.
So, for almost 5 years I have wanted to crack this card out and send it to PSA, but every time I think about it I say "why wouldn't Daniel have done that already?" He didn't mention anything about it in the item description, so I don't know if he did or didn't. I paid under what a PSA 8 in the SMR was back then, so I figured if it came back an 8 I was still safe, just haven't had the courage, and the biggest laugh is that I only bought it to do just that, and haven't. I've looped it under a lighted 10X so many times, and the corners look real good, but I still havent sent it. The "white" in the upper right corner is mostly the design, but there is a tiny tiny touch under 10X. Lastly, I paid around $55.00 back in December of 2002, so if it came back a PSA 8 it's not like i'd be financially crushed, but a PSA 9 sure would be nice.
Here is a scan, and I know that no one can say for sure, but I'd love to hear what you guys think. And just to get it out of the way, I'll do it myself:
It's an 8. chaz
Upper right corner:
So, for almost 5 years I have wanted to crack this card out and send it to PSA, but every time I think about it I say "why wouldn't Daniel have done that already?" He didn't mention anything about it in the item description, so I don't know if he did or didn't. I paid under what a PSA 8 in the SMR was back then, so I figured if it came back an 8 I was still safe, just haven't had the courage, and the biggest laugh is that I only bought it to do just that, and haven't. I've looped it under a lighted 10X so many times, and the corners look real good, but I still havent sent it. The "white" in the upper right corner is mostly the design, but there is a tiny tiny touch under 10X. Lastly, I paid around $55.00 back in December of 2002, so if it came back a PSA 8 it's not like i'd be financially crushed, but a PSA 9 sure would be nice.
Here is a scan, and I know that no one can say for sure, but I'd love to hear what you guys think. And just to get it out of the way, I'll do it myself:
It's an 8. chaz
Upper right corner:
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Nice card! Good luck.
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Think you can eventually get a 9 but don't believe it's worth possible damage from cracking.
<< <i>Damage from cracking is not even a 1% concern. Coming back a PSA 8 is my only concern. So, the question is, will I get more from auction as a SGC 92, or as a PSA 8 (in the worst case scenario)? >>
I think you might get a little more for the 92 but not much. That is one beautiful card. If the corners on the back show no wear, I'd crack it and give it a go with PSA.
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Good luck.
And very nice card.
<< <i>And most of the SGC 92 that I busted SGC gave 96s. >>
But if I crack it out im sending mine to PSA, not back to SGC.
Go start your own "woe is me" thread.
<< <i>Toomers - Why do you keep going into people's threads, and going on and on about your problems?
Go start your own "woe is me" thread. >>
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That's a fine looking Banks card. Since you bought it with the intention of trying for a PSA 9, then give it a try. If you bought it to keep for your own collection, why bother to bust it out and resubmit? It's looks great in the SGC holder. You know it's a high-end card no matter what you decide to do. It might just depend on what you have into the card too.
Good luck if you try PSA with it.
Rich
evid of trim
Min size
recolor
When you hear about a guy, that you know ripped the pack himself, and he gets a few "evid of trim", then anything is possible. I can still sell it if it gets a PSA 8, but if it deosn't get holdered at all, then it's worthless. I guess if that happened I'd only be out $55 + grading and shipping, but that would still kinda suck.
Go start your own "woe is me" thread. >>
"Its not a Tuma" or toomer or maybe it is
Must be a Giants fan...
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<< <i>Must be a Giants fan... >>
Why? Was he wearing an Armani suit?
Why? Was he wearing an Armani suit?
LOL, No, but Giants fans are used to complaining!
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<< <i>No, I first cracked and resubed to PSA, then after they said mis cut, I then sent them to SGC and told them what happend. Then I got the SGC 96s >>
Oh OK. If it comes back unholdered that is what I will have to do as well.
Good luck
Unfortunately the way PSA has been grading vintage the past couple of months, don't expect that 9 anytime soon. I believe part of it may the hiring of "new" grader/graders. I would have waited possibly until next spring. I think 70's and newer you are o.k. but on pre 70' stuff you may want to re-think your strategy.
<< <i>I would have waited possibly until next spring. >>
OK i'll go back to the post office and tell them I need my package back because some guy I never met said that the weather isn't right yet. LOL I'll take my chances with my strategy, fully aware that an 8 is very possible.
Good luck!!!
mike
Hey!! I'm not just some guy, I'm THE guy. Good luck on the 9.
Jake
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<< <i>Well PSA has decided that the card is worthy of a PSA 9 >>
Sweet, I guess I should have read this thread also...
<< <i>Guess Chaz was wrong. >>
chaz did not venture a guess on this card.
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<< <i>Guess Chaz was wrong. >>
chaz did not venture a guess on this card. >>
chaz don't know what chaz is saying usually!
anyways, nam -- big Congrats! Is this card for sale, or is part of the permanent collection?
What does a PSA 9 usually bring anyways?
SGC has tight grading standards and if you can find a well-centered card...like the Banks...more times than not, you will be pleased. I have cracked out 8-10 SGC's, only one was down-graded (1955 Red Man Hoyt Wilhelm....out of an SGC86 holder into a PSA 7 Holder), other than that, all have been successes!!
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<< <i>anyways, nam -- big Congrats! Is this card for sale, or is part of the permanent collection? >>
It will be going on eBay soon.
Ron
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Not sure what the competition does to your card value but it's hard to get a lot if a similarly graded card has no bids at $100, no matter how much better your scan would be.
Great card and congrats on the 9!
Banks psa9 on ebay now
<< <i>it's hard to get a lot if a similarly graded card has no bids at $100 >>
That auction has over 5 days left.
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<< <i>Thanks Rich. I'm really not as worried about getting knocked down to a PSA 8 as much as I am about getting PSA's new flavor of the month. Whether that flavor be:
evid of trim
Min size
recolor
When you hear about a guy, that you know ripped the pack himself, and he gets a few "evid of trim", then anything is possible. I can still sell it if it gets a PSA 8, but if it deosn't get holdered at all, then it's worthless. I guess if that happened I'd only be out $55 + grading and shipping, but that would still kinda suck. >>
Based on this information, I can see why you are hesitent to send in.
<< <i>Damage from cracking is not even a 1% concern. Coming back a PSA 8 is my only concern. So, the question is, will I get more from auction as a SGC 92, or as a PSA 8 (in the worst case scenario)? >>
Actually you will/may get more for an SGC 88 than a PSA 8 and an SGC 96 than a PSA 9;
Per Vintage Card Prices:
SGC 88 Realized Prices
8/11/07 eBay View Auction $46.00
11/6/06 eBay View Auction $46.00
PSA 8 Realized Prices (Last Two):
10/9/07 eBay View Auction $41.00
9/29/07 eBay View Auction $43.08
SGC 96 Realized Prices:
5/31/07 Goodwin $284.00
3/13/07 eBay View Auction $201.50
12/14/06 Memory Lane $344.28
PSA 9 Realized Prices (Last Three):
8/15/07 Mile High View Auction $228.96
7/1/07 eBay View Auction $225.00
6/10/07 eBay View Auction $294.00