YA think Bonds will be tested after 754 or 755?

RipublicaninMass

We all know Selig has it in for this guy. What do you think he will do, just let it pass?

perkdog

I think Selig doesnt want to touch this with a ten foot pole!

stitzen

Selig is as responsible for the steroid era as the players who took it and the doctors who gave them out.

He puts on a tough face but he knows deep down that he himself is responsible for not doing anything about steroids or HGH, and only did something after Congress threated to remove baseball tax exemptions.

SoFLPhillyFan

<< <i>Selig is as responsible for the steroid era as the players who took it and the doctors who gave them out.

He puts on a tough face but he knows deep down that he himself is responsible for not doing anything about steroids or HGH, and only did something after Congress threated to remove baseball tax exemptions. >>



Yes the league, Selig, owners, etc. have a large part in the issue. They should have stopped it much much earlier.

However, where is the picture of Selig sticking a syringe in Canseco's a$$?

Where is the picture of Bonds giving cash to a league official in exchange for some ampules or tablets?

These men are adults and must accept the responsibility for their actions. These aren't high schoolers bowing to peer pressure. They are seasoned professionals and knew the consequences of taking drugs and sullying the game.

Say what you want, Bonds hasn't failed a test, yada yada yada. He is guilty like the rest of them and should not hold any records. Take away the record of anyone proven to be a performance enhancing drug user and kick them out.

Eventually the league will prove it and Hank will hold the record once again as the true class act of baseball.

Michigan

<< <i>I think Selig doesnt want to touch this with a ten foot pole! >>




I'm sure Selig would like to see Bonds have a career ending injury right now. I suspect he will be present when Bonds hits #756 as a
matter of protocol but he will find it very distasteful and will want to make any ceremony very brief and then head for the exits.

ziggy29

<< <i>Say what you want, Bonds hasn't failed a test, yada yada yada. He is guilty like the rest of them and should not hold any records. >>

So I can put you down as an advocate of "guilty until proven innocent?"

stown

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<< <i>Say what you want, Bonds hasn't failed a test, yada yada yada. He is guilty like the rest of them and should not hold any records. >>

So I can put you down as an advocate of "guilty until proven innocent?" >>



So can I put you down as an advocate of "you are not allowed to form an opinion until a jury renders a decision?"

RipublicaninMass

didn't want this thread to get derailed, wouldn't be just grand if they tested him right after 755 and he was positive or negative? Just a reminder that there WAS NO WRITTEN BASEBALL LAW against steroids. Chit they used to drink and smoke butts in the dugout!

SoFLPhillyFan

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<< <i>Say what you want, Bonds hasn't failed a test, yada yada yada. He is guilty like the rest of them and should not hold any records. >>

So I can put you down as an advocate of "guilty until proven innocent?" >>




You can put me down as an advocate for knowing that a man's dome doesn't increase in size markedly without some help, that his feet don't get bigger unless he's putting on 100 pounds of fat not 40 pounds of muscle, and that not everyone around him claiming to have knowledge of his steroid use is saying so for personal gain.

At some point irrefutable evidence will prove what is already known. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respect those who want to take it to the final level. I choose to consider him guilty.

ziggy29

<< <i>So can I put you down as an advocate of "you are not allowed to form an opinion until a jury renders a decision?" >>

Forming an opinion on one's guilt and advocating they be punished based only on an opinion (and not hard evidence) are two different things.

I can believe someone's guilty, but until their guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt I don't advocate punishing them over it. I do happen to believe Bonds juiced. And I'd like it to see it proven if he did, because I don't want a provably tarnished record to stand. I just don't think suspicion is enough to justify nullifying the record.

<< <i>At some point irrefutable evidence will prove what is already known. >>

And it is at this point when the record, assuming he breaks it, is proven a fraud and Aaron's accomplishment should remain as the officially recognized home run record.

Bosox1976

No hope for a test at this point...it's all HGH around the leagues now.

RonBurgundy

"No hope for a test at this point...it's all HGH around the leagues now."


This is exactly right and it's astonishing that Selig never says a word about it.

The only hope at this point is that the Federalies issue an indictment in the next few weeks and cuff and stuff Bonds in the slammer, thereby forcing MLB and/or the Giants to suspend him.

He is a classless, worthless individual and I refuse to pay any mind to what he is doing, which is difficult given the shilling that ESPN is doing on his behalf. It is sad when I have to cheer a player like A-Rod to keep bombing away so he can pass Bonds 7 or 8 years from now.




Ron

Connecticoin

I really hope Bonds gets hurt. I do not want to see this fiasco, and the ESPN suck up coverage of this travesty.

Michigan

<< <i>I really hope Bonds gets hurt. I do not want to see this fiasco, and the ESPN suck up coverage of this travesty. >>




Some poor pitcher will have their name associated with this travesty as the one who made it possible, the hoopla about what happens
to the ball etc. It will be excessive but hopefully blow over fairly soon.

stitzen

The ones most responsible for allowing it to happen are the owners and commissioner who looked the other way when they knew it was happening. They needed a way to get baseball relevant again after the world series was canceled by the strike, and having tons of big home runs was the way to get people excited on baseball again. They looked the other way and allowed steroids into the game in the name of dollars.

For Selig to sit there and feign ignorance, to claim he won't attend the breaking of the record after all this went down on his watch is inexcusable. I can understand Aaron not wanting to be there, but the commissioner HAS to be there.

And to wish injury or death on someone? Is that really what we've come to as a society? It's just a game folks, and it's just a number - let's keep things in perspective.

MantleMarisFordBerra

<< <i>The ones most responsible for allowing it to happen are the owners and commissioner who looked the other way when they knew it was happening. They needed a way to get baseball relevant again after the world series was canceled by the strike, and having tons of big home runs was the way to get people excited on baseball again. They looked the other way and allowed steroids into the game in the name of dollars.

For Selig to sit there and feign ignorance, to claim he won't attend the breaking of the record after all this went down on his watch is inexcusable. I can understand Aaron not wanting to be there, but the commissioner HAS to be there.

And to wish injury or death on someone? Is that really what we've come to as a society? It's just a game folks, and it's just a number - let's keep things in perspective. >>



Axtell, for once we agree - Bud & his boys looked the other way and allowed Bonds, Mcqwire,Sosa, Canseco, Palmerio et al. to taint the record books. How can anyone trust him to fix a problem that he in part created? If the the Mitchell investigation (joke) were to really do its job, Bud would be banished along w Bonds & the others...but that ain't gonna happen, it's all about the ca$h baby!

As much as I loath Bonds, I don't want anything to hapen to him for 2 reasons:
#1-he is a human, and I can't wish ill on him unless he did something crazybad (Benoit)
#2-if something happened he'd get turned into a martyr and we'd never hear the end of it (Anna Nichole anyone?)

As far as the commish "having" to be there, remember, there have been many great moments in baseball the commish hasn't shown up for inthe past:Maris breaking record, Aaron breaking record, Rose breaking record, can't remember if he was there for Ripken. Still, I hope he is, that way years from now when the sad highlight reel is shown, both of these guilty men will have their faces shown.

stown

Prior to tainting the record, SF should outright release him and the rest of MLB conspire to not sign him.

That would be ideal

Estil

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<< <i>Say what you want, Bonds hasn't failed a test, yada yada yada. He is guilty like the rest of them and should not hold any records. >>

So I can put you down as an advocate of "guilty until proven innocent?" >>



Yep, he's just like amost all the others here. Accusation = GUILTY!! Why, I could just pick another superstar player at random, spread some rumors that I witnessed him take 'roids, and people here would say the player should be banned. Indeed, whatever happened to the fact that we live in the United States where you're innocent until proven guilty? You know, Rush Limbaugh is exactly right. In this day and age, it's not the nature of the evidence (or even the fact there is no credible evidence; such as with McGwire) that matters. All that counts is the seriousness of the charge.

dirtmonkey

<< <i>Yep, he's just like amost all the others here. Accusation = GUILTY!! Why, I could just pick another superstar player at random, spread some rumors that I witnessed him take 'roids, and people here would say the player should be banned. Indeed, whatever happened to the fact that we live in the United States where you're innocent until proven guilty? You know, Rush Limbaugh is exactly right. In this day and age, it's not the nature of the evidence (or even the fact there is no credible evidence; such as with McGwire) that matters. All that counts is the seriousness of the charge. >>



Yikes, what has the world come to when people use Rush Limbaugh quotes as basis to support an argument?

Bonds probably did it, but there's no real proof uncovered to this point so who cares. To reverse the argument, can anyone prove Hank never used 'roids? They were around and being used by athletes as early as the late 50's, so it's not completely impossible.

Estil

As you can see, the latest post can't come up with anything better than an ad homenium attack on Rush rather than trying to refute the trend he has noticed and that I personally agree with, though I wish it wasn't true. And frankly, Mr. Aaron had a lot more serious problems (that being racist/death threats) on his hands during that 1973-74 off-season than 'roid allegations.

DirtyHarry

On topic........no, he won't be tested. Regardless, the stuff is out of his system that enabled him to do what he has done.

dirtmonkey

<< <i>As you can see, the latest post can't come up with anything better than an ad homenium attack on Rush rather than trying to refute the trend he has noticed and that I personally agree with, though I wish it wasn't true. >>



Rush isn't the first to mention such a trend, so crediting him with such wisdom is hilarious. This has been the nature of humanity, probably since the beginning of mans existence. History shows many instances where the simple allegations outweighs actual truth and the proof thereof. To name a few instances, calling someone a witch, communist or a devil worshipper used to be grounds for inprisonment or even death. There usually needed to be no proof at all for people to react against those who were labeled as such. In case Rush wasn't aware of the fact, these cases happened years ago and are not just a recent trend.




<< <i>And frankly, Mr. Aaron had a lot more serious problems (that being racist/death threats) on his hands during that 1973-74 off-season than 'roid allegations. >>



Sure, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have taken them.

gregmo32

I wish I could require every person to read "Game of Shadows" before forming an opinion about Barry Bonds' guilt or innocence. We could at least avoid rehashing these same debates about lack of evidence.

And I agree that HGH is the drug of choice now. And that is not tested for anyway.

I would certainly think if Bonds were going to be tested, it would be right now and not AFTER he breaks the most hallowed record in sports.