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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Not too crusty.

    Is it in a slab?

    If it is what slab and grade image
    Ed
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,563 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Burnished.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    I don't know much about the series, so I am curious if it's raw or slabbed?
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't know much about the series, so I am curious if it's raw or slabbed?

    image

    -David
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    good example of a coin i would need in hand to even make
    a bare bones judgement.

    anacs is often the TPG of last resort, you do know that right?
    dealers send it to pcgs, it BBs. then they send it to pcgs again,
    because TPGs are humans and the dealer is wise, it BBs.

    so then they send it to anacs and lo and behold it gets into a
    problem free holder. the dealer then procedes to dump the coin
    on ebay for a 10% profit.

    you get it in hand and sorta like it. everyone likes newps.

    3 months later you hate it. sell on ebay for a slight loss.

    otherwise i like the "possible look the coin may have in hand".
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's just the sort of blinkered, Philistine pig ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage. You sit there on your loathsome, spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss about the struggling collector! You excrement! You lousy, hypocritical, whining toadies with your lousy color TV sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic handshakes!

  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    anacs is often the TPG of last resort,

    Only for people that dont have the skills to grade and determine origionality for them selves.

    -David
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,486 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's just the sort of blinkered, Philistine pig ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage. You sit there on your loathsome, spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss about the struggling collector! You excrement! You lousy, hypocritical, whining toadies with your lousy color TV sets and your Tony Jacklin golf clubs and your bleeding masonic handshakes! >>



    image

    If that is the most thoughtful "YOU SUCK" award I've ever witnessed .... there isn't a "you suck" award.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    anacs is often the TPG of last resort,

    Only for people that dont have the skills to grade and determine origionality for them selves.
    ---

    how about because you will at least end up with the coin slabbed?

    i have no idea what you mean.

    also you state you bought the coin from a pic. your original coin may
    show up a turd. hope you got a return policy for just that occasion.

    or it could be really nice.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't kid yourself, any TPG can be the service of last resort. There's a lot to be said for persistence, timing, as well as who the submittor is and what other coins accompany the shipment.

    I've had coins certify at PCGS and NGC after the other guy bagged them. And there's no way to say if the first guy or last guy was right. We'd all be surprised at what eventually gets through after many tries. That ANACS coin could someday get cracked out and wind up in a PCGS or NGC holder.

    roadrunner
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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    lincolncentman,

    this is not about your coin. i hope you realize that. i wish that
    you deem the coin worthy of your collection once you can inspect
    it in hand.

    roadrunner, what tpg do most dealers want their coins in when
    selling?

    the ones that do not cut it at pcgs often get sent to anacs knowing
    it will at least get slabbed. problem or non-problem free slab ;-)

    that is my point. one really has to be leery of ebay+anacs right now.
    with a return policy though you really take a lot less risk.
    imagine buying sight unseen. what a setup for disaster buying
    anacs coins right now without them being in hand.
  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    also you state you bought the coin from a pic. your original coin may show up a turd. hope you got a return policy for just that occasion. or it could be really nice.


    Have you ever bought a coin online that wasnt based on a pic?

    PCGS, NGC, ANACS.... there's not a TPGS out there that doesnt have cleaned or problem coins in their holders. The holder just provides a strong assurance that the coin isnt counterfeit and provides a non-seller based grade. It's because of people like you that people like me can cherry pick nice coins in ANACS holders.

    -David
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    I have always bought coins with MUCH better pics than those
    below. How can you even make a judgement call on that coin
    from that picture? Look at how the toning has been ripped away
    from the fields around the obverse stars. Notice liberty is complete
    dirt free almost with no toning. That to me says, possibly, cleaned,
    dipped, and or processed in some way.

    there's not a TPGS out there that doesnt have cleaned or problem coins in their holders.

    I agree. I totally agree.

    The holder just provides a strong assurance that the coin isnt counterfeit and provides a non-seller based grade.

    once again i agree. i like anacs for that reason above with problem
    coins.

    It's because of people like you that people like me can cherry pick nice coins in ANACS holders.

    you get so defensive! you are so confident! but you have given
    me the tired canned answer we always here talking about tpgs.

    you have a great eye picking out coins from so-so pics. congratulations.
  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    good example of a coin i would need in hand to even make a bare bones judgement.

    In fact, this entire exchange is a good example of why a lot of collectors no longer frequent this board. I came in trying to share my joy with friends on the board, and you take the opportunity to point out your views on ANACS holders. Wow, what a lot of fun this is. Not.

    -David
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    ok, i will lie.

    i think the coin is great. i love it. i hope it turns out to be a happy
    ending and i am confident it will.
  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    Look at how the toning has been ripped away from the fields around the obverse stars. Notice liberty is complete dirt free almost with no toning. That to me says, possibly, cleaned, dipped, and or processed in some way.

    I thought you said this was not about my coin. Man, I rarely make judgement calls on people, but your just a jerk.

    This will be my last reply to this post. You've taken the fun out of sharing.

    -David


  • << <i>your original coin may show up a turd. hope you got a return policy for just that occasion. or it could be really nice. >>


    Sounds like you have all your bases covered. I'm sure lincolncentman is aware of the risk of purchasing a coin online--yes, they usually do show up either as turds, or really nice, or about as advertised. There really isn't any other possibility.

  • BRdudeBRdude Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭
    Oh, I get it, fc is the expert who can assess the coin from the pic LCM posted, at least enough to know "it HAS to be questionable, it's in an ANACS slab!" Sheesh. I think the coin looks nice and origional (from the pics). News for ya, NOBODY is going to know for sure, 100% positively that ANY coin, bought off a pic, will look the same in hand.....DUH!
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  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭
    What's wrong with you people?
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭
    Hey David - I have owned a few of those in the past.

    I think it is a great looking coin. Congrats on the purchase.

    -------------

    etexmike


  • << <i>Oh, I get it, fc is the expert who can assess the coin from the pic LCM posted, at least enough to know "it HAS to be questionable, it's in an ANACS slab!" Sheesh. I think the coin looks nice and origional (from the pics). News for ya, NOBODY is going to know for sure, 100% positively that ANY coin, bought off a pic, will look the same in hand.....DUH!
    I love your Dollar LCM, very nice looking to meimageimageimage >>


    True and only one part of the equation is "what would a dealer do", the other aspect is what would a collector do? And I know quite a few collectors that prefer ANACS--seen a lot of nice coins in those slabs, but again I ignore slabs entirely and just judge the coin. In the end, it's always about the coin, not the motivations or conspiracy behind the people selling it.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i> That ANACS coin could someday get cracked out and wind up in a PCGS or NGC holder. >>

    Yeah. And suddenly, without changing one bit, it will be a "better coin."

    Slabbers are way too powerful in this hobby.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    That coin is nice in any holder! How often do people say "buy the coin not the holder"?

    image
    Ed
  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EF 45??? That dollar looks AU to me... I recommend cracking it out, and submit it to PCGS to see what they say, or have it cross graded.

    Good luck...
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i am speculating based on pictures.
    that is what i have been shown.

    maybe next time the original poster will wait until the coin actually
    arrives to him before posting. but that takes a bit of patience and
    will power.
  • RedTigerRedTiger Posts: 5,608
    Coin looks nice enough to me. Looks original. If not original than perhaps dipped long ago, and retoned. It does not look like a recent bake job.

    I think ANACS is being unfairly labeled here. In my opinion, it is in no way the TPG of last resort. Plenty of folks send to ANACS first because they know the coin will at least be authenticated. For Seated dollars that matters. Also for coins that worth under $150, ANACS often used to be preferred because it was cheaper to submit to them.

    I will concede that ANACS holdered coins trade at a discount, especially at wholesale when offered to a dealer. The more the grade figures in the price, and the higher the price, the bigger the discount. Even if a coin is all there, dealer offers on ANACS coins are usually going to be lower because they know they will probably have to take the time and money to cross it, in order to get full value when selling.

    For circulated grades, I wouldn't worry so much. On mint state coins, it can be a much bigger deal. Actually for classics in circulated grades, ANACS coins might average out as more original than some other companies, because it is easy to net grade the coin, without reaching for the big stick of returning the coin in a bag.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    I'd be willing to donate 10 bucks towards the PCGS submission fee if the coin was to be submitted raw, and the results posted here. I think it would be interesting to see what happens.
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a pretty nice coin to me. If I were collecting that series, I would be happy to have that one. Maybe it's been cleaned, maybe not.

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  • MrBlusterMrBluster Posts: 358 ✭✭✭
  • MrBlusterMrBluster Posts: 358 ✭✭✭
    LincolnCentMan

    I like that coin alot. It looks like it could be AU. I don't think you can get hurt buying that for that money. Seller has 100% feedback.
    Enjoy it
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am sorry I laughed at the post topstuff wrote...

    LincolnCentMan... I like the coin. I do.
    The blue color on the rim is a bit questionable, but without it in hand, it's hard to say if the coin has any problems. I think YOU SUCK image.

    And you have a good choice in coins !


    Joe

  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    HEY!!!

    I like it!

    << EF 45??? That dollar looks AU to me >>

    Thank You! My sentiments exactly! image

    YO ... Dave - YOU SUCK! image
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    this thread is about a new seated dollar i think? ANACS is no tpg of lats resort at least the old ANACS they have there niche and many of my keeper coins are in thier holders, just an opinion.

    The newp is nice for the grade and better then most offered old cleaning perhaps , but who cares its a real nice example regardless.
  • RRRR Posts: 629 ✭✭✭
    In fact, this entire exchange is a good example of why a lot of collectors no longer frequent this board. I came in trying to share my joy with friends on the board, and you take the opportunity to point out your views on ANACS holders. Wow, what a lot of fun this is. Not.

    I agree, but don't let it get to ya, David. Just keep on having fun and sharing the enjoyment with us.

    RR

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