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Photo Seal and beyond
RYK
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There is talk about the possibility of a new service (I will not mention the C-word 
) that might offer a Rick Snow style Photo Seal-like service for all types of coins. (link to thread about Photo Seal)
Would you be interested in such a service for your coins? If it were free? If you had to pay a nominal charge?
Would it be important whose expertise is being tapped to verify the grade? I think that one reason Photo Seal is successful is that one of the leading experts on IHCs is the one doing grade verification. If he were also verifying grades on bust dollars or state quarters, the verification would be less meaningful, IMO.
) that might offer a Rick Snow style Photo Seal-like service for all types of coins. (link to thread about Photo Seal)Would you be interested in such a service for your coins? If it were free? If you had to pay a nominal charge?
Would it be important whose expertise is being tapped to verify the grade? I think that one reason Photo Seal is successful is that one of the leading experts on IHCs is the one doing grade verification. If he were also verifying grades on bust dollars or state quarters, the verification would be less meaningful, IMO.
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<< <i>Gotta be somebody(s) with a good rep or will never fly. >>
I agree, brother.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Would you be interested in such a service for your coins? >>
No.
<< <i>If it were free? >>
No.
<< <i>If you had to pay a nominal charge? >>
No.
It's not like there would be any "C" members who actually knew how to grade the coins I collect.
Russ, NCNE
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
The photoseal concept was a good one. The idea was really more along the lines of, "these are premium coins for the grade and please offer them back to me if you ever sell". That is of course, if he needs the coin, etc.
For a new collector, it gives a sense of security. As experienced is gained, the PS isn't needed.
The worst part has become having to deal with all the PS plastic cards rubber-banded to slabs at auction preview. They are a hassle to deal with and my fingers hurt after auction lot viewing (hangnails, etc).
<< <i>Man, I looked across the street, and didn't see this question posed. I looked at Legend's site too, and it just wasn't there. Is this the only site being targeted? >>
I noticed that also. I think this is their main focus.
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<< <i>Man, I looked across the street, and didn't see this question posed. I looked at Legend's site too, and it just wasn't there. Is this the only site being targeted? >>
I noticed that also. I think this is their main focus. >>
"They" are not pushing these threads. I am, mostly because I have my own doubts that this venture will be successful, and secondarily because they seem to be pushing some buttons behind the scene.
<< <i>There is talk about the possibility of a new service (I will not mention the C-word
Would you be interested in such a service for your coins? If it were free? If you had to pay a nominal charge?
Would it be important whose expertise is being tapped to verify the grade? I think that one reason Photo Seal is successful is that one of the leading experts on IHCs is the one doing grade verification. If he were also verifying grades on bust dollars or state quarters, the verification would be less meaningful, IMO. >>
RYK, why don't you just blow away with your stupid anti PCGS propaganda. You fool no one.
<< <i>RYK, why don't you just blow away with your stupid anti PCGS propaganda. You fool no one. >>
Somebody buy this guy a clue.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>There is talk about the possibility of a new service (I will not mention the C-word
Would you be interested in such a service for your coins? If it were free? If you had to pay a nominal charge?
Would it be important whose expertise is being tapped to verify the grade? I think that one reason Photo Seal is successful is that one of the leading experts on IHCs is the one doing grade verification. If he were also verifying grades on bust dollars or state quarters, the verification would be less meaningful, IMO. >>
RYK, why don't you just blow away with your stupid anti PCGS propaganda. You fool no one. >>
I have no beef against PCGS. There are times when I do not agree with their grading, but I have been supportive of PCGS with my time and my money. And you?
Edited to remove insulting retort. I see your agenda. Your cup (ebay and registry) runneth over with CU-infused product. I would be worried, too.
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<< <i>RYK, why don't you just blow away with your stupid anti PCGS propaganda. You fool no one. >>
Somebody buy this guy a clue.
Russ, NCNE >>
Exactly, and then, 20 years from now, we will need another service to be a watchdog for this service which is the watchdog for the incumbent TPGs, who are the watchdogs for....
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<< <i>RYK, why don't you just blow away with your stupid anti PCGS propaganda. You fool no one. >>
Somebody buy this guy a clue.
Russ, NCNE >>
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Russ,
Make that two clues. I think that he thinks you were talking to me.
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<< <i>There is talk about the possibility of a new service (I will not mention the C-word
Would you be interested in such a service for your coins? If it were free? If you had to pay a nominal charge?
Would it be important whose expertise is being tapped to verify the grade? I think that one reason Photo Seal is successful is that one of the leading experts on IHCs is the one doing grade verification. If he were also verifying grades on bust dollars or state quarters, the verification would be less meaningful, IMO. >>
RYK, why don't you just blow away with your stupid anti PCGS propaganda. You fool no one. >>
S-man, you would not know propaganda if it hit you in your fat ___.
I have no beef against PCGS. There are times when I do not agree with their grading, but I have been supportive of PCGS with my time and my money. And you? >>
You have been starting one thread after another. First as the front man for the so called "coilition". After that failed, you have been trying to do it in a more subtle way. Maybe others find it OK, but I do not. I spend my share of money and time with PCGS, and quite pleased with the overall product they provide to the market place. Furthermore, I think they have done more to help this hobby than hurt it. I am quit. As far as my fat_____ goes, it would be my pleasure to meet you some time!!!!!
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<< <i>There is talk about the possibility of a new service (I will not mention the C-word
Would you be interested in such a service for your coins? If it were free? If you had to pay a nominal charge?
Would it be important whose expertise is being tapped to verify the grade? I think that one reason Photo Seal is successful is that one of the leading experts on IHCs is the one doing grade verification. If he were also verifying grades on bust dollars or state quarters, the verification would be less meaningful, IMO. >>
RYK, why don't you just blow away with your stupid anti PCGS propaganda. You fool no one. >>
S-man, you would not know propaganda if it hit you in your fat ___.
I have no beef against PCGS. There are times when I do not agree with their grading, but I have been supportive of PCGS with my time and my money. And you? >>
You have been starting one thread after another. First as the front man for the so called "coilition". After that failed, you have been trying to do it in a more subtle way. Maybe others find it OK, but I do not. I spend my share of money and time with PCGS, and quite pleased with the overall product they provide to the market place. Furthermore, I think they have done more to help this hobby than hurt it. As far as my fat_____ goes, it would be my pleasure to meet you some time!!!!! >>
RYK has dominion over Xrays that can rot the skin from your flesh. Gruesome..
John
siliconvalleycoins.com
<< <i>As far as my fat_____ goes, it would be my pleasure to meet you some time!!!!! >>
Internet threats are childish, and the most accurate barometer of cowardice.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Careful sonoran,
RYK has dominion over Xrays that can rot the skin from your flesh. Gruesome..
John >>
Thanks, I will make a note of that.
<< <i>I spend my share of money and time with PCGS, and quite pleased with the overall product they provide to the market place. Furthermore, I think they have done more to help this hobby than hurt it. >>
Perhaps so. But with the passing of time, IMO, the amount of "hurt" TPGs are bringing to the hobby is gaining on the amount of "help." At some point, if the trend continues, "hurt" may overtake "help," and sooner rather than later.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's looking more and more like the major TPGs are coming closer and closer to having "absolute power" over the hobby, IMO, and I don't think that's good for it.
I appreciate what the reputable TPGs brought to the hobby, but it's no longer enough to just authenticate and grade coins. Now they use marketing to convince people they need stuff they've never needed before. To pay 10x more for an MS-69 than for an MS-68. To pay a lot more for one indistinguishable coin over another because of when the Mint shipped it. And I can think of others, too.
I just thought it better when they stuck to just grading and authenticating instead of marketmaking and creating demand for their own new ways to collect which the markets never used to care about.
Yes, I have been known to do that around here, to stimulate discussion. Try it sometime, why don't you?
First as the front man for the so called "coilition".
As I said earlier, I am no front man for anyone. I was asked by a former member to make one post, and it got me thinking. You should try it sometime...thinking, that is.
Coalition is spelled c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, FYI.
After that failed, you have been trying to do it in a more subtle way.
Example, please, although since your premise is false, it will be of no use.
Maybe others find it OK, but I do not.
If you disagree with me, say so without telling me to buzz off and accusing me of "propaganda". Unlike you, I have no financial stake (ie. an ebay store with over 700 CU-graded products). I am just a lowly collector who buys coins. I prefer then to be in PCGS slabs, but I will take them any way I can get them.
As for the last remark, I apologize as it was inappropriate and uncalled for.
<< <i>Coalition is spelled c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, FYI. >>
Besides that, it's consortium.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>As far as my fat_____ goes, it would be my pleasure to meet you some time!!!!! >>
Internet threats are childish, and the most accurate barometer of cowardice.
Russ, NCNE >>
Actually, I probably deserved it.
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<< <i>Coalition is spelled c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, FYI. >>
Besides that, it's consortium.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah - as in 'me and my consortium went to dinner'.
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<< <i>I spend my share of money and time with PCGS, and quite pleased with the overall product they provide to the market place. Furthermore, I think they have done more to help this hobby than hurt it. >>
Perhaps so. But with the passing of time, IMO, the amount of "hurt" TPGs are bringing to the hobby is gaining on the amount of "help." At some point, if the trend continues, "hurt" may overtake "help," and sooner rather than later.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's looking more and more like the major TPGs are coming closer and closer to having "absolute power" over the hobby, IMO, and I don't think that's good for it.
I appreciate what the reputable TPGs brought to the hobby, but it's no longer enough to just authenticate and grade coins. Now they use marketing to convince people they need stuff they've never needed before. To pay 10x more for an MS-69 than for an MS-68. To pay a lot more for one indistinguishable coin over another because of when the Mint shipped it. And I can think of others, too.
I just thought it better when they stuck to just grading and authenticating instead of marketmaking and creating demand for their own new ways to collect which the markets never used to care about. >>
Ziggy, very interesting point. Worth considering. Thanks.
<< <i><< Coalition is spelled c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, FYI. >>
Besides that, it's consortium.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah - as in 'me and my consortium went to dinner'. >>
That would be "my consortium and I" went to dinner.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>You have been starting one thread after another.
Yes, I have been known to do that around here, to stimulate discussion. Try it sometime, why don't you?
First as the front man for the so called "coilition".
As I said earlier, I am no front man for anyone. I was asked by a former member to make one post, and it got me thinking. You should try it sometime...thinking, that is.
Coalition is spelled c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, FYI.
After that failed, you have been trying to do it in a more subtle way.
Example, please, although since your premise is false, it will be of no use.
Maybe others find it OK, but I do not.
If you disagree with me, say so without telling me to buzz off and accusing me of "propaganda". Unlike you, I have no financial stake (ie. an ebay store with over 700 CU-graded products). I am just a lowly collector who buys coins. I prefer then to be in PCGS slabs, but I will take them any way I can get them.
As for the last remark, I apologize as it was inappropriate and uncalled for. >>
RYK, Thanks for the back off. I will do the same. Sometimes these threads get a bit emotional. I appologize also for any unwarrented accusations.
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<< <i><< Coalition is spelled c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, FYI. >>
Besides that, it's consortium.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah - as in 'me and my consortium went to dinner'. >>
That would be "my consortium and I" went to dinner.
Russ, NCNE >>
You took her to dinner, too?
<< <i>You took her to dinner, too? >>
I took her to dinner first. Guess that means you got <those with their minds in the gutter, feel free to finish the sentence>.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i><< Coalition is spelled c-o-a-l-i-t-i-o-n, FYI. >>
Besides that, it's consortium.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah - as in 'me and my consortium went to dinner'. >>
That would be "my consortium and I" went to dinner.
Russ, NCNE >>
You took her to dinner, too?
Now, that you guys are throwing the C word around left and right, this thread is bound to be POOFed. And, it probably should be.