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BlackLodge1
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Hello!
Regarding the edge lettering on the Presidential Dollars. First off, we have the PCGS.
"PCGS to Recognize Orientation of Edge Lettering on Presidential Dollar Coins"
Effective April 24, 2007
Effective immediately, PCGS will begin recognizing the up or down orientation of the edge lettering on Presidential Dollars, as follows:
POSITION A - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the President's portrait faces up
POSITION B - Edge lettering reads normally when the President's portrait faces up
(I call the variants Type-A and Type-B or Varity-I and Varity-II. Position A and Position B just doesn't sound right. Plus "Type" takes up less room on a 2x2.
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So my first question is this. When the PCGS makes this type of announcement, how much weight does it carry? What I mean is, because PCGS said this, does that mean it's set in stone? For example. Will the Red Book have a listing for both variants of the Presidential Dollars? And will they list the correct variant as B and the incorrect as A?
I hope I'm explaining myself correctly with what I'm asking. I want to know is if the Type-A and Type-B Presidential variants are permanently set in the Numismatic world as they are now, or can someone else come along and reverse it? For example, the ANA. They make an announcement that the correct variant of the Presidential Dollars will now be known as Position A and the incorrect as Position B.
Another thing I'm wondering. It seems to me that the correct variant would be Type-A and The incorrect would be Type-B. Does anybody else think that? Does anybody know why they did it that way? I thought maybe it had to do with the amount minted, but then I recalled hearing something about the Mint not knowing the amounts because it was all random.
Then we have the San Francisco Minted Dollars. Are there variants of those also?
Soooo. What does everybody think/know?
Regarding the edge lettering on the Presidential Dollars. First off, we have the PCGS.
"PCGS to Recognize Orientation of Edge Lettering on Presidential Dollar Coins"
Effective April 24, 2007
Effective immediately, PCGS will begin recognizing the up or down orientation of the edge lettering on Presidential Dollars, as follows:
POSITION A - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the President's portrait faces up
POSITION B - Edge lettering reads normally when the President's portrait faces up
(I call the variants Type-A and Type-B or Varity-I and Varity-II. Position A and Position B just doesn't sound right. Plus "Type" takes up less room on a 2x2.
)So my first question is this. When the PCGS makes this type of announcement, how much weight does it carry? What I mean is, because PCGS said this, does that mean it's set in stone? For example. Will the Red Book have a listing for both variants of the Presidential Dollars? And will they list the correct variant as B and the incorrect as A?
I hope I'm explaining myself correctly with what I'm asking. I want to know is if the Type-A and Type-B Presidential variants are permanently set in the Numismatic world as they are now, or can someone else come along and reverse it? For example, the ANA. They make an announcement that the correct variant of the Presidential Dollars will now be known as Position A and the incorrect as Position B.
Another thing I'm wondering. It seems to me that the correct variant would be Type-A and The incorrect would be Type-B. Does anybody else think that? Does anybody know why they did it that way? I thought maybe it had to do with the amount minted, but then I recalled hearing something about the Mint not knowing the amounts because it was all random.
Then we have the San Francisco Minted Dollars. Are there variants of those also?
Soooo. What does everybody think/know?
I have all kinds of coins, tokens and a few medals. I'm not a big time Stack's Auction collector. I don't collect for investment or value. When I see a coin I think is neat, I grab it. I collect a few coins by year and mint, like Lincoln and Canadian Cents, Westward Journey Nickels, State Quarters, Presidential Dollars and 2 or 3 others. I have some Proof Sets and Uncirculated Sets. I've been collecting for 34 years, so I have a little bit of everything.
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For the rolls that we have opened, it is President side 53% of the time. (including Washington and Adams). If the rolls were an even amount, it would be 50-50 for the rolls coming through Delaware.
<< <i>The lettering orientation is random- there is no "correct" position. Or both positions are correct- take your pick.
Well according to the PCGS, rightside up is correct: (They use the word "normally")
POSITION A - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the President's portrait faces up
POSITION B - Edge lettering reads normally when the President's portrait faces up
PS.
I LIKE IKEs!
PS.
I LIKE IKEs!
<< <i>Well according to the PCGS, rightside up is correct: (They use the word "normally")
POSITION A - Edge lettering reads upside-down when the President's portrait faces up
POSITION B - Edge lettering reads normally when the President's portrait faces up >>
They say "normally" (rightside up)- they don't say "correct"- that's your conclusion.
You're making an assumption that "normally" = "correct" and then inferring from that that the other orientation is "incorrect". I believe your assumption is incorrect.
edited to add...
Here's what the people who make the coins say:
Question
Why is the edge lettering on my Presidential $1 Coin upside down?
Answer
The position of the edge lettering is random; on some coins it faces the obverse (or heads), on some it faces the reverse (or tails). Neither is incorrect.
Presidential $1 Coin Edge Lettering Upside Down
You can call them whatever you want- call them hotdogs and have a picnic- but the word from the mint is that "neither is incorrect", which would lead one to the conclusion that both are correct.
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I LIKE IKEs!
<< <i>Well what else could they mean by normally? >>
"Normally" = "Rightside up" (as opposed to upside down)
Note that there need be no distinction of correct vs. incorrect.
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I LIKE IKEs!
<< <i>"Normally" = "Rightside up" (as opposed to upside down) >>
Ugh! I'm gettin' old...
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I LIKE IKEs!
It was my understanding that the Proof variety will have the lettering the same way on every coin to include its location and orientation......
Food for thought or fuel for flames......
<< <i>Your link doesn't work, what did you look under? >>
Go here...
Click on "FAQs" at the top. Type "edge lettering" in the search by keyword box and click the search button. Click the first result- "Presidential $1 Coin Edge Lettering Upside Down".
<< <i>Won't the lettering orientation on the Proof coins determine what is "correct".. proof coins being examples of perfectly minted coins... >>
I think maybe people are trying to read too much into this. Once again, here's what the mint says about the "correct" orientation of the dollars made for circulation: The position of the edge lettering is random; on some coins it faces the obverse (or heads), on some it faces the reverse (or tails). Neither is incorrect.
The fact they do things differently (assuming they do) for the proof coins is in no way any reflection of what is intended to be correct for circulation issues. They use special dies and polished blanks for proof coins, too- does that mean circulation coins are minted on incorrect planchets?
<< <i>Won't the lettering orientation on the Proof coins determine what is "correct".. proof coins being examples of perfectly minted coins........
It was my understanding that the Proof variety will have the lettering the same way on every coin to include its location and orientation......
Food for thought or fuel for flames...... >>
My understanding is that PCGS borrowed the terminology from Belgian coins of the 19th century. I do suppose it might be odd however for all the proof coins to be called type B's when there are no type A's also.
Ed. S.
(EJS)
<< <i>The lettering orientation is random- there is no "correct" position. Or both positions are correct- take your pick.
Really... this is going a bit beyond ridiculous...
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