Sosa Hits #600
Rangerman
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He hit # 600 tonight as the Rangers beat the CUBS 7 to 3. I wonder if he will get much more game time or will the Rangers let some youngsters have a shot? The Rangers really are sucking eggs this year, not much else has gone right so far. Do we celebrate or ?
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<< <i>He hit # 600 tonight as the Rangers beat the CUBS 7 to 3. I wonder if he will get much more game time or will the Rangers let some youngsters have a shot? The Rangers really are sucking eggs this year, not much else has gone right so far. Do we celebrate or ?
He leads the Rangers in RBI, so I doubt they will take him out of the lineup as if he were some aging, poor performing slugger chasing a stat. The Rangers aren't losing because of Sammy Sosa. However, the manager did say he was going to try and give Sosa a day of rest every week.
McGwire should be as well.
Shane
<< <i>Congrats to Sosa. Suspiscion or not - I think he should be a Hall of Famer.
McGwire should be as well. >>
Well in that case Palmeiro and Bonds should both be in too right?
<< <i>just discussing this on Sportscenter, basically said he was a first ballot HOF'er, Resurrected his career etc. etc. Has hit more homers at Wrigley than Ruth did at Yankee stadium, only Major leaguer with 3 60 homer seasons, and six years with 40+ in the N.L. >>
That's odd. On Mike & Mike this morning, Buster Olney said there was no way he was ever making the Hall of Fame because voters aren't going to vote in a steroid user.
We'll see. I'd vote him in.
shawn
<< <i>Cheers to the cheater!
grote, innocent until proven guilty.
Congratulations Slammin' Sammy!
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So the assumption is Mac, Sosa, and Bonds will never make the hall? I find that very, very difficult to believe.
<< <i>So the assumption is Mac, Sosa, and Bonds will never make the hall? I find that very, very difficult to believe. >>
I find it hard to believe as well, even though that should be the case.
spoke just fine after his 600th homer.
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<< <i>So the assumption is Mac, Sosa, and Bonds will never make the hall? I find that very, very difficult to believe. >>
I find it hard to believe as well, even though that should be the case. >>
Why should it be the case? Will you go back into the hall and yank out all the cheaters then? Will Perry and his infamous 'spitballs' (cheating!) be rescinded? What about Schmidt, who openly admitted to taking amphetamines to get up for a day game after a night game?
Until they have failed a drug test, to hold these players in contempt and bar them from the hall is absurd. While I may hate Bonds as a person, I cannot in good conscience say he doesn't belong in the hall of fame.
D's: 54S,53P,50P,49S,45D+S,44S,43D,41S,40D+S,39D+S,38D+S,37D+S,36S,35D+S,all 16-34's
Q's: 52S,47S,46S,40S,39S,38S,37D+S,36D+S,35D,34D,32D+S
74T: 37,38,47,151,193,241,435,570,610,654,655 97 Finest silver: 115,135,139,145,310
73T:31,55,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,80,152,165,189,213,235,237,257,341,344,377,379,390,422,433,453,480,497,545,554,563,580,606,613,630
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Regardless of what we think, it's up to those who's votes count.
And when greenies, uppers, downers, blow, whatever... makes one gain massive muscle, strength, speed, and recover injuries faster, then you can compare it to steriods.
Greenies, on the other hand, allows one to be much more alert, which is especially useful after a late night game the following day game.
<< <i>I agree; we need much better evidence than allegations/rumors alone. >>
I mostly agree. I think in the case of some marginal HOFers (such as McGwire), even the allegations might be just enough to tip the scales. Someone like Bonds -- as much as everyone may hate him -- is so great, steroids or no, that a mere unproven allegation can't take away enough to keep him out of Cooperstown.
Now prove something, and it becomes a different calculation, and not necessarily such a slam dunk.
<< <i>The HOF set a precident with Mark McGwire last year.
Regardless of what we think, it's up to those who's votes count.
And when greenies, uppers, downers, blow, whatever... makes one gain massive muscle, strength, speed, and recover injuries faster, then you can compare it to steriods. >>
Theoretically all of those substances can give you those results.
Example - Jo Jo spends all day doing blow in order to keep his energy up so he can finish his 4 hour heavy weight workout. Then, between innings, he's chomping on some greenies in the clubhose to keep himself jacked up, to better steal bases and run down fly balls. And when he gets hit by a pitch and breaks his wrist, he's too hopped up to feel the pain and keeps on playing.
The problem for me is, where do you draw the line? What's the difference in taking HGH to get bigger and play better, and getting a cortisone shot in the knee to dull the pain and allow yourself to play better? What about caffeine? You're getting an energy boost. Does that mean you're cheating? Another good example I heard years ago, what if a batter has laser correction surgery on his eyes and gives himself better than 20/20 vision? Does that not enhance his performance by being able to see the ball out of the pitchers hand at a level that is considered to be better than normal? Should he be suspended until he has laser de-correction to get back to 20/20?
I'm not saying at all that I condone the use of steroids, because I hate that the game I love has to be clouded with this suspicion. I am also not defending Bonds because I think he is a pompus, racist a-hole who shows no appreciation for the game that has fed him for years.
I think it all comes down to the popularity of the home run and the most sacred number in the game. This would not be that big of a debate if players were taking greenies to chase down Rickey Henderson. And if Barry had started juicing when he was 25 so his body could have decomposed at 35 and never gotten close to 756, and Griffey's bony arse had stayed healthy to hit 800 hr's everything would be fine. We would be cheering him on and no one would care that the guys in 5th-10th place cheated, because the good guy won. JMHO
<< <i>The problem for me is, where do you draw the line? What's the difference in taking HGH to get bigger and play better, and getting a cortisone shot in the knee to dull the pain and allow yourself to play better? What about caffeine? You're getting an energy boost. Does that mean you're cheating? Another good example I heard years ago, what if a batter has laser correction surgery on his eyes and gives himself better than 20/20 vision? Does that not enhance his performance by being able to see the ball out of the pitchers hand at a level that is considered to be better than normal? Should he be suspended until he has laser de-correction to get back to 20/20? >>
It's all based upon one's opinion; nothing more, nothing less.
I say it's okay, another says it's not. Go around and around until someone (hopefully) says, let's agree to disagree.
There's no need in calling another person's opinion wrong or unheard of.
Edited to add and clarify: Not speaking directly to anyone in particular, especially not KC
Definite HOF. Any other opinion is ridiculous.
BobFettaCheese is an ass for his lack of knowledge and stupid language/ethnic comment.
R----
grote, innocent until proven guilty.
Congratulations Slammin' Sammy!
Yeah, ok, he's innocent till proven guilty...so was O.J., too.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that "Slammin' Sammy" used steroids to launch many of those 600 homers. Unlike Bonds, though, Sammy is nowhere near the HOF without the juice and the additional homers, and my feeling is that he will NOT be voted in to the HOF, at least not at first.
If you want to discount his use of steroids, fine, that is your right, but don't try to claim with a straight face that Sammy Sosa is "innocent" until proven guilty in regard to that issue.
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<< <i>He's not done.........having a pretty good year at 38 years of age.
Definite HOF. Any other opinion is ridiculous.
BobFettaCheese is an ass for his lack of knowledge and stupid language/ethnic comment.
R---- >>
Your momma is so fat...
3 60 HR seasons, 600+ career HRs. Yeah, definite HoFer.
You mean definite cheater. Sosa will suffer the same fate as McGwire, and deservedly so.
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Regardless, 600 HRs is hard to discount as a HOF benchmark.
<< <i>3 60 HR seasons, 600+ career HRs. Yeah, definite HoFer.
You mean definite cheater. Sosa will suffer the same fate as McGwire, and deservedly so. >>
I am wondering why someone with the ability to ordain who has and hasn't cheated isn't working with the Mitchell investigation into steroids? Why are you slumming it here with us?
hey Dirty, Hairy.. or whatever you call yourself...here is a nickel, go buy yourself a clue. The flak over the steroids issue haunted McGwire, it will do the same for Sosa and Bonds regardless of how many Homers they hit.
The language/ethnic comment was a direct swipe at Supermn Sosa's inability to speak coherent English when being questioned in comittee, alas he must have been hooked on phonics when interviewed after his 600th Homer. Your lack of intelligence isn't surprising given your previous attempts at forumlating articulate diaologue. Stick to polishing your shiny guns, just wipe up when your done oiling your tiny barrel.
He was on ESPN the other night and spoke English just fine...
Just a thought.