1860 clark gruber and company gold coin. is this coin a fake?

fc

an expert needs to chime in on this one for me

edited to add: if yes, when was it made? what era?

thanks!

SilverEagles92

Looks kind of cheap to me, but then again, it's not a Mint issue.

I might wager the $150 on it.

tightbudget

Fake, probably made in the 60s or 70s from something other than gold. Keep in mind that the picture in his description is NOT the actual coin up for bid.

fc

i think the coin is fake. let me say that much before anyone bids.
i have no interest in bidding nor am i connected to the auction :-)

that being said, i just wish to learn where it came from or is it real?
why the divot on the rev on the eagle? Copy used to be there or something?

i will wait patiently ;-)

Reece

No, NO. NO

GoldenEyeNumismatics

I've handled a good number of these. That one is fake--probably a cast counterfeit.

NumisOxide

I agree, looks cast.

fc

thanks all.
after you all chime in, i looked at the coin again and i agree
with you.

so it was not mass produced but a homemade attempt at a fake?
thanks.

Shortgapbob

<< <i>Fake, probably made in the 60s or 70s from something other than gold. Keep in mind that the picture in his description is NOT the actual coin up for bid. >>



That was the first thing that I noticed.

DaveG

It's fairly easy to tell that it's a crude fake - just compare the coin in his hand to the coin images of the real coin that he supplies - particularly the tips of the eagle's wings on the reverse.

As for when the fake was made - who can say?

Zoins

Is this likely to be an American counterfeit? There are a number of counterfeits of different territorial gold types floating around. I think they were all made by Americans circa 1960s-70s, i.e. during the coin collecting boom.

numisma

That's a low quality pot metal fake. True story: several years ago I got a call from a guy claiming that he had a Pike's Peak gold coin and he wanted to sell it. The one he "had" was the ever-popular Ten Dollar denomination. He was working and wanted me to meet him at a Burger King during lunch. Before wasting my time I asked him some questions. I told him that this coin is a heavily reproduced coin and the vast majority are low quality fakes. I asked how it came into his possession. His story was that he was working on the railroad in upper Michigan and the coin was found in 10 feet of soil, so it could not be a fake in his opinion. I decided to gamble and/or get some entertainment for the day. I walked into BK Lounge and.....I kid you not....I told him that it was fake 5 feet before I reached the table. Then I went on to explain why. Must have been embarrassing for him due to the lie he told about being 10 feet in the ground. In case you are wondering, I had a whopper with cheese, o-rings and a bottled water for lunch.

theump

<< <i> In case you are wondering, I had a whopper with cheese, o-rings and a bottled water for lunch. >>





Decided to have the bottle of water to save on the calories?

BlindedByEgo

Not only fake, but ex-jewelry, too.

CaptHenway

<< <i>That's a low quality pot metal fake. True story: several years ago I got a call from a guy claiming that he had a Pike's Peak gold coin and he wanted to sell it. The one he "had" was the ever-popular Ten Dollar denomination. He was working and wanted me to meet him at a Burger King during lunch. Before wasting my time I asked him some questions. I told him that this coin is a heavily reproduced coin and the vast majority are low quality fakes. I asked how it came into his possession. His story was that he was working on the railroad in upper Michigan and the coin was found in 10 feet of soil, so it could not be a fake in his opinion. I decided to gamble and/or get some entertainment for the day. I walked into BK Lounge and.....I kid you not....I told him that it was fake 5 feet before I reached the table. Then I went on to explain why. Must have been embarrassing for him due to the lie he told about being 10 feet in the ground. In case you are wondering, I had a whopper with cheese, o-rings and a bottled water for lunch. >>



That wasn't the only whopper in that room.......
TD