first poppage 373 cards down 3300 to go... not happy

Rogermnj

Every card sent in was opened by me in either wax,cello,vending,rack or set form. VERY dissapointed. They put this 1000 card order into 2 subs...373 cards and 650 cards.. 1 entered 4/7 one entered 4/13. Too disgusted to really talk about how i feel about this sub. Let me know what you guys think. If you need anything, send me a PM with a reasonable offer. Most are available for sale. I thought 90% of the cards in this sub had a LEGITAMATE shot at 10. I dont know why the hell i sent in all those 1992 topps gold. I cannot believe i did not get a single 10 on any of the 85 or 86 football. I cannot believe i did not get a single ten on any of the 85 leaf/donruss. I am happy with 3 cards. (82 ripken 9, 85 elway 9, 80 gretzky 9)
I dont know how i had 17 cards come back evid of trimming. Oh well. Also, i posted a while back offering a free gift for someone who would guess when my grades popped. I have to find the thread to see who was closest to 6/12.
Roger-





1 31793688 1985 TOPPS 61 JAMES JONES N/A 8
2 31793689 1985 TOPPS 344 FREEMAN McNEIL N/A 9
3 31793690 1985 TOPPS 86 JACKIE SLATER N/A 8
4 31793691 1985 TOPPS 328 CRAIG JAMES N/A 9
5 31793692 1985 TOPPS 30 DAN HAMPTON ALL PRO 9
6 31793693 1985 TOPPS 4 DAN MARINO RECORD BREAKER 8
7 31793694 1985 TOPPS 181 DARRELL GREEN N/A 8
8 31793695 1985 TOPPS 306 CHARLES BOWSER N/A 8
9 31793696 1985 TOPPS 56 GARY DANIELSON N/A 8
10 31793697 1985 TOPPS 70 TOM FLYNN N/A 8
11 31793698 1985 TOPPS 219 ANTHONY MUNOZ ALL PRO 8
12 31793699 1985 TOPPS 101 MORTEN ANDERSEN N/A 8
13 31793700 1985 TOPPS 290 MIKE HAYNES ALL PRO 8
14 31793701 1985 TOPPS 257 JAMIE WILLIAMS N/A 8
15 31793702 1985 TOPPS 388 DAVE KRIEG N/A 8
16 31793703 1985 TOPPS 4 DAN MARINO RECORD BREAKER 8
17 31793704 1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 7
18 31793705 1985 TOPPS 251 WARREN MOON N/A 8
19 31793706 1985 TOPPS 305 KIM BOKAMPER N/A 8
20 31793707 1985 TOPPS 130 MIKE HORAN N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
21 31793708 1985 TOPPS 389 STEVE LARGENT N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
22 31793709 1985 TOPPS 358 LOUIS LIPPS N/A 6
23 31793710 1985 TOPPS 379 KELLEN WINSLOW N/A 7
24 31793711 1985 TOPPS 65 BOBBY WATKINS N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
25 31793712 1985 TOPPS 192 PASSING LEADERS D.MARINO/J.MONTANA 8
26 31793713 1985 TOPPS 260 JOHNIE COOKS N/A 7
27 31793714 1985 TOPPS 40 TONY DORSETT N/A 8
28 31793715 1985 TOPPS 327 BRIAN HOLLOWAY N/A 8
29 31793716 1985 TOPPS 268 LEO WISNIEWSKI N/A 9
30 31793717 1985 TOPPS 85 BARRY REDDEN N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
31 31793718 1985 TOPPS 282 MARCUS ALLEN N/A 8
32 31793719 1985 TOPPS 238 JOHN ELWAY N/A 9
33 31793720 1985 TOPPS 157 JOE MONTANA N/A 7
34 31793721 1985 TOPPS 365 MIKE WEBSTER N/A 8
35 31793722 1985 TOPPS 108 DAVE WILSON N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
36 31793723 1985 TOPPS 301 BOB BAUMHOWER N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
37 31793724 1985 TOPPS 4 DAN MARINO RECORD BREAKER 8
38 31793725 1985 TOPPS 215 EDDIE EDWARDS N/A 8
39 31793726 1985 TOPPS 238 JOHN ELWAY N/A 8
40 31793727 1985 TOPPS 130 MIKE HORAN N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
41 31793728 1985 TOPPS 305 KIM BOKAMPER N/A 8
42 31793729 1985 TOPPS 110 GIANTS TEAM LEADERS GIANTS' DEFENSE 8
43 31793730 1985 TOPPS 192 PASSING LEADERS D.MARINO/J.MONTANA Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
44 31793731 1985 TOPPS 316 ED NEWMAN N/A 8
45 31793732 1985 TOPPS 389 STEVE LARGENT N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
46 31793733 1982 TOPPS 486 RONNIE LOTT ALL-PRO 9
47 31793734 1982 TOPPS 488 JOE MONTANA ALL-PRO 8
48 31793735 1982 TOPPS 488 JOE MONTANA ALL-PRO 7
49 31793736 1982 TOPPS 303 WALTER PAYTON N/A 8
50 31793737 1989 SCORE 289 CARL LEE N/A 9
51 31793738 1989 SCORE 284 M.ALLEN/B.JACKSON N/A 8
52 31793739 1989 SCORE 96 ANTHONY MUNOZ N/A 10
53 31793740 1989 SCORE 293 KEITH JACKSON CORRECT UNIFORM #88 9
54 31793741 1989 SCORE 106 CURT WARNER N/A 10
55 31793742 1989 SCORE 258 DERRICK THOMAS N/A 9
56 31793743 1989 SCORE 286 BRUCE MATTHEWS N/A 9
57 31793744 1989 SCORE 257 BARRY SANDERS N/A 8
58 31793745 1989 SCORE 246 DEION SANDERS N/A 9
59 31793746 1989 SCORE 57 BENNIE BLADES N/A 9
60 31793747 1989 SCORE 287 JOEY BROWNER N/A 8
61 31793748 1989 SCORE 114 RICHARD DENT N/A 9
62 31793749 1989 SCORE 186 ALONZO HIGHSMITH N/A 10
63 31793750 1987 TOPPS 177 STEVE LARGENT N/A 9
64 31793751 1987 TOPPS 115 JERRY RICE N/A 9
65 31793752 1993 SELECT 55 EMMITT SMITH N/A 8
66 31793753 1993 SELECT 55 EMMITT SMITH N/A 9
67 31793754 1998 BOWMAN'S BEST 112 PEYTON MANNING N/A 9
68 31793755 1998 BOWMAN'S BEST BP1 PEYTON MANNING BEST PERFORMERS 10
69 31793756 1991 WILD CARD 46 EMMITT SMITH N/A 10
70 31793757 1991 WILD CARD 73 JERRY RICE N/A 7
71 31793758 1991 WILD CARD 108 BO JACKSON N/A 8
72 31793759 1991 WILD CARD 108 BO JACKSON N/A 9
73 31793760 1991 WILD CARD 89 BARRY SANDERS N/A 9
74 31793761 1991 WILD CARD 46 EMMITT SMITH N/A 9
75 31793762 1991 WILD CARD 46 EMMITT SMITH N/A 8
76 31793763 1991 WILD CARD 46 EMMITT SMITH N/A 9
77 31793764 1991 WILD CARD 89 BARRY SANDERS N/A 9
78 31793765 1991 WILD CARD 89 BARRY SANDERS N/A 10
79 31793766 1989 PRO SET 381 JOE MONTANA N/A 9
80 31793767 1989 PRO SET 486 DEION SANDERS N/A 9
81 31793768 1989 PRO SET 383 JERRY RICE N/A 9
82 31793769 1989 PRO SET 383 JERRY RICE N/A 10
83 31793770 1989 PRO SET 383 JERRY RICE N/A 9
84 31793771 1986 TOPPS 322 DUANE BICKETT N/A 8
85 31793772 1986 TOPPS 126 TONY DORSETT N/A 9
86 31793773 1986 TOPPS 18 KEVIN BUTLER N/A 9
87 31793774 1986 TOPPS 390 FRED SMERLAS N/A 9
88 31793775 1986 TOPPS 78 ERIC DICKERSON N/A 8
89 31793776 1986 TOPPS 44 DOLPHINS TEAM DAN MARINO 9
90 31793777 1986 TOPPS 57 HUGH GREEN N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
91 31793778 1986 TOPPS 137 GIANTS TEAM JOE MORRIS Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
92 31793779 1986 TOPPS 112 JOHN ELWAY N/A 8
93 31793780 1986 TOPPS 151 LAWRENCE TAYLOR N/A 9
94 31793781 1986 TOPPS 156 JOE MONTANA N/A 9
95 31793782 1986 TOPPS 374 STEVE YOUNG N/A 8
96 31793783 1986 TOPPS 313 DERON CHERRY N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
97 31793784 1986 TOPPS 275 REGGIE WHITE N/A 9
98 31793785 1986 TOPPS 275 REGGIE WHITE N/A 8
99 31793786 1986 TOPPS 237 KELLEN WINSLOW N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
100 31793787 1986 TOPPS 231 DAN FOUTS N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
101 31793788 1986 TOPPS 221 EZRA JOHNSON N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
102 31793789 1986 TOPPS 201 DAVE KRIEG N/A 9
103 31793790 1986 TOPPS 193 CODY RISIEN N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
104 31793791 1988 FLEER MINI 92 DWIGHT GOODEN N/A 10
105 31793792 1988 FLEER MINI 93 KEITH HERNANDEZ N/A 9
106 31793793 1988 FLEER MINI 97 DARRYL STRAWBERRY N/A 9
107 31793794 1988 FLEER MINI 102 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 10
108 31793795 1988 FLEER MINI 109 OZZIE SMITH N/A 10
109 31793796 1988 FLEER MINI 65 DALE MURPHY N/A 9
110 31793797 1988 FLEER MINI 68 MARK GRACE N/A 10
111 31793798 1988 FLEER MINI 67 ANDRE DAWSON N/A 9
112 31793799 1988 FLEER MINI 70 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 10
113 31793800 1988 FLEER MINI 79 NOLAN RYAN N/A 10
114 31793801 1988 FLEER MINI 36 KIRBY PUCKETT N/A 10
115 31793802 1988 FLEER MINI 40 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 10
116 31793803 1988 FLEER MINI 39 JACK CLARK N/A 9
117 31793804 1988 FLEER MINI 45 JOSE CANSECO N/A 10
118 31793805 1988 FLEER MINI 46 MARK McGWIRE N/A 9
119 31793806 1988 FLEER MINI 4 WADE BOGGS N/A 10
120 31793807 1988 FLEER MINI 5 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 8
121 31793808 1988 FLEER MINI 25 ALAN TRAMMELL N/A 8
122 31793809 1987 FLEER MINI 66 DON MATTINGLY N/A 9
123 31793810 1987 FLEER MINI 74 DALE MURPHY N/A 9
124 31793811 1987 FLEER MINI 75 EDDIE MURRAY N/A 9
125 31793812 1987 FLEER MINI 95 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 8
126 31793813 1987 FLEER MINI 97 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 9
127 31793814 1987 FLEER MINI 112 LOU WHITAKER N/A 9
128 31793815 1987 FLEER MINI 13 GEORGE BRETT N/A 10
129 31793816 1987 FLEER MINI 20 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 9
130 31793817 1987 FLEER MINI 45 DWIGHT GOODEN N/A 10
131 31793818 1987 FLEER MINI 52 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 9
132 31793819 1986 FLEER MINI 18 RON DARLING N/A 9
133 31793820 1986 FLEER MINI 20 KEITH HERNANDEZ N/A 9
134 31793821 1986 FLEER MINI 69 TONY GWYNN N/A 9
135 31793822 1986 FLEER MINI 84 KENT HRBEK N/A 9
136 31793823 1986 FLEER MINI 24 DON MATTINGLY N/A 9
137 31793824 1986 FLEER MINI 65 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
138 31793825 1986 FLEER MINI 73 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 8
139 31793826 1986 FLEER MINI 87 JOSE CANSECO N/A 8
140 31793827 1986 FLEER MINI 114 BRETT BUTLER N/A 10
141 31793828 1986 FLEER MINI 46 TOM SEAVER N/A 9
142 31793829 1994 SP 2 JASON KIDD FOIL 8
143 31793830 1994 SP 2 JASON KIDD FOIL 8
144 31793831 1994 SP HOLOVIEWS DPC32 JASON KIDD DIE-CUT-PREMIUM COLL. 8
145 31793832 1996 SP 141 ALLEN IVERSON N/A 9
146 31793833 1996 SP 141 ALLEN IVERSON N/A 10
147 31793834 1996 SP 141 ALLEN IVERSON N/A 9
148 31793835 1996 SP 141 ALLEN IVERSON N/A 9
149 31793836 1996 SP 134 KOBE BRYANT N/A 9
150 31793837 1996 SP 134 KOBE BRYANT N/A 9
151 31793838 1990 LEAF 245 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 8
152 31793839 1990 LEAF 300 FRANK THOMAS N/A 10
153 31793840 1990 LEAF 25 GREG MADDUX N/A 8
154 31793841 1992 STADIUM CLUB 201 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL MEMBERS CHOICE 7
155 31793842 1992 STADIUM CLUB 247 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL N/A 9
156 31793843 1992 STADIUM CLUB 247 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL N/A 9
157 31793844 1992 STADIUM CLUB 210 MICHAEL JORDAN MEMBERS CHOICE 10
158 31793845 1992 STADIUM CLUB 210 MICHAEL JORDAN MEMBERS CHOICE 10
159 31793846 1993 STADIUM CLUB 13 DAVID ROBINSON BEAM TEAM-MEMBERS ONLY 8
160 31793847 1993 STADIUM CLUB 4 MICHAEL JORDAN BEAM TEAM-MEMBERS ONLY 8
161 31793848 1993 STADIUM CLUB 1 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL BEAM TEAM-MEMBERS ONLY 6
162 31793849 1993 STADIUM CLUB 181 MICHAEL JORDAN MEMBERS ONLY 8
163 31793850 1993 STADIUM CLUB 169 MICHAEL JORDAN MEMBERS ONLY 8
164 31793851 1993 STADIUM CLUB 100 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL MEMBERS ONLY 8
165 31793852 1993 STADIUM CLUB 10 DAVID ROBINSON MEMBERS ONLY 9
166 31793853 1992 STADIUM CLUB 1 MICHAEL JORDAN MEMBERS ONLY 9
167 31793854 1994 SP 15 DERRICK ALEXANDER FOIL DIE-CUT 7
168 31793855 1994 SP 5 TRENT DILFER FOIL 8
169 31793856 1994 SP DAN MARINO 300 TOUCHDOWN PASSES 8
170 31793857 1994 SP JERRY RICE 127 CAREER TOUCHDOWNS 8
171 31793858 1994 SP 6 BRYANT YOUNG FOIL DIE-CUT 9
172 31793859 1994 SP 19 THOMAS LEWIS FOIL 9
173 31793860 1994 SP 4 WILLIE McGINEST FOIL 8
174 31793861 1994 SP 194 JERRY RICE DIE-CUT 9
175 31793862 1994 SP 18 CHARLIE GARNER FOIL 8
176 31793863 1994 SP 10 CHARLES JOHNSON FOIL 9
177 31793864 1994 SP 3 MARSHALL FAULK FOIL 8
178 31793865 1994 SP 122 EMMITT SMITH N/A 9
179 31793866 1991 STADIUM CLUB 462 BO JACKSON N/A 9
180 31793867 1991 STADIUM CLUB 281 LAWRENCE TAYLOR N/A 9
181 31793868 1991 STADIUM CLUB 361 BARRY SANDERS N/A 9
182 31793869 1991 STADIUM CLUB 94 BRETT FAVRE N/A 9
183 31793870 1991 STADIUM CLUB 264 DAN MARINO N/A 8
184 31793871 1991 STADIUM CLUB 2 EMMITT SMITH N/A 9
185 31793872 1991 STADIUM CLUB 3 DEION SANDERS N/A 9
186 31793873 1991 STADIUM CLUB 294 JOHN ELWAY N/A 8
187 31793874 1991 STADIUM CLUB 71 JERRY RICE N/A 10
188 31793875 1991 STADIUM CLUB 228 TROY AIKMAN N/A 9
189 31793876 1991 STADIUM CLUB 140 PHIL SIMMS N/A 9
190 31793877 1991 STADIUM CLUB 120 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 9
191 31793878 1991 STADIUM CLUB 57 FRANK THOMAS N/A 9
192 31793879 1991 STADIUM CLUB 120 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 10
193 31793880 1991 STADIUM CLUB 155 JOSE CANSECO N/A 9
194 31793881 1991 STADIUM CLUB 154 OZZIE SMITH N/A 10
195 31793882 1991 STADIUM CLUB 26 DAVE JUSTICE N/A 9
196 31793883 1991 STADIUM CLUB 257 GREGG JEFFERIES N/A 9
196 31793884 1991 STADIUM CLUB 430 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 9
197 31793885 1991 STADIUM CLUB 430 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 9
198 31793886 1988 FLEER MINI 41 DON MATTINGLY N/A 5
199 31793887 1991 STADIUM CLUB 309 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 9
200 31793888 1991 STADIUM CLUB 309 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 8
201 31793889 1991 STADIUM CLUB 389 BRETT BUTLER N/A 9
202 31793890 1991 STADIUM CLUB 399 MARK McGWIRE N/A 8
203 31793891 1991 STADIUM CLUB 576 LUIS GONZALEZ N/A 10
204 31793892 1991 STADIUM CLUB 388 JEFF BAGWELL N/A 8
205 31793893 1991 STADIUM CLUB 310 ANDRE DAWSON N/A 9
206 31793894 1980 TOPPS 195 MIKE GARTNER N/A 9
207 31793895 1980 TOPPS 87 WAYNE GRETZKY ALL-STAR 9
208 31793896 1980 TOPPS 140 RAY BOURQUE N/A 9OC
209 31793897 1980 TOPPS 140 RAY BOURQUE N/A 7
210 31793898 1980 TOPPS 162 ASSISTS LEADERS GRETZKY/DIONNE/LAFLEUR 9OC
211 31793899 1980 TOPPS 163 SCORING LEADERS DIONNE/GRETZKY/LAFLEUR 8
212 31793900 1980 TOPPS 250 WAYNE GRETZKY N/A 8
213 31793901 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST 19 BRYANT REEVES ATOMIC REFRACTOR 10
214 31793902 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST 106 TIM DUNCAN N/A 10
215 31793903 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST CUTS BC5 KEVIN GARNETT REFRACTOR 10
216 31793904 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST T4 KOBE BRYANT TECHNIQUES 10
217 31793905 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST 110 AUSTIN CROSHERE REFRACTOR 10
218 31793906 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST MI3 HARD/IVRSN/JCK/KIDD MIRROR IMAGE 10
219 31793907 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST 111 TRACY McGRADY N/A 10
220 31793908 1997 BOWMAN'S BEST 111 TRACY McGRADY N/A 10
221 31793909 1986 TOPPS TRADED 20T JOSE CANSECO N/A 9
222 31793910 1986 TOPPS TRADED 101T TOM SEAVER N/A 8
223 31793911 1986 TOPPS TRADED 24T WILL CLARK N/A 9
224 31793912 1986 TOPPS TRADED 11T BARRY BONDS N/A 8
225 31793913 1986 TOPPS TRADED 101T TOM SEAVER N/A 8
226 31793914 1986 TOPPS TRADED 24T WILL CLARK N/A 8
227 31793915 1986 TOPPS TRADED 20T JOSE CANSECO N/A 8
228 31793916 1986 TOPPS TRADED 11T BARRY BONDS N/A 9OC
229 31793917 1986 TOPPS TRADED 11T BARRY BONDS N/A 8
230 31793918 1986 TOPPS TRADED 20T JOSE CANSECO N/A 8
231 31793919 1986 TOPPS TRADED 101T TOM SEAVER N/A 9
232 31793920 1994 FLAIR 340 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 10
233 31793921 1994 FLAIR 340 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 8
234 31793922 1994 FLAIR 340 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 9
235 31793923 1994 FLAIR 1 JEFF BAGWELL INFIELD POWER 10
236 31793924 1994 FLAIR 8 CAL RIPKEN JR. INFIELD POWER 9
237 31793925 1994 FLAIR 4 DON MATTINGLY INFIELD POWER 10
238 31793926 1994 FLAIR 9 FRANK THOMAS INFIELD POWER 10
239 31793927 1994 FLAIR 7 MIKE PIAZZA INFIELD POWER 10
240 31793928 1994 FLAIR 393 BRETT BUTLER N/A 10
241 31793929 1994 FLAIR HOT GLOVE 6 DON MATTINGLY N/A 10
242 31793930 1985 LEAF 43 KEVIN McREYNOLDS N/A 9
243 31793931 1985 LEAF 140 TWO FOR THE TITLE D.WINFIELD/D.MATTINGLY 9
244 31793932 1985 LEAF 44 ROBIN YOUNT N/A 9
245 31793933 1985 LEAF 107 KIRBY PUCKETT N/A 8
246 31793934 1985 LEAF 208 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 9
247 31793935 1985 LEAF 207 JACK CLARK N/A 9
248 31793936 1985 LEAF 205 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 8
249 31793937 1985 LEAF 101 TOM SEAVER N/A 9
250 31793938 1985 LEAF 99 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 8
251 31793939 1985 LEAF 107 KIRBY PUCKETT N/A 8
252 31793940 1985 DONRUSS 14 CAL RIPKEN JR. DIAMOND KINGS 8
253 31793941 1985 DONRUSS 25 TONY GWYNN DIAMOND KINGS 8
254 31793942 1985 DONRUSS 7 DON MATTINGLY DIAMOND KINGS 9
255 31793943 1982 FLEER 582 OZZIE SMITH N/A 9
256 31793944 1982 FLEER 185 GARY CARTER N/A 9
257 31793945 1982 FLEER 187 ANDRE DAWSON N/A 9
258 31793946 1982 FLEER 258 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 9
259 31793947 1982 FLEER 368 MIKE HARGROVE N/A 9
260 31793948 1982 FLEER 634 DYNAMIC DUO! BENCH & SEAVER 8
261 31793949 1982 FLEER 637 MIKE SCHMIDT 1981 HOME RUN KING 9
262 31793950 1982 FLEER 57 JOHNNY BENCH N/A 9
263 31793951 1982 FLEER 141 ROLLIE FINGERS N/A 10
264 31793952 1982 FLEER 148 PAUL MOLITOR N/A 10
265 31793953 1982 FLEER 229 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
266 31793954 1983 FLEER 519 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 10
267 31793955 1983 FLEER 519 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 10
268 31793956 1983 FLEER 278 GARY CARTER N/A 8
269 31793957 1983 FLEER 235 CARLTON FISK N/A 9
270 31793958 1983 FLEER 155 STEVE CARLTON N/A 9
271 31793959 1983 FLEER 173 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 8
272 31793960 1983 FLEER 67 EDDIE MURRAY N/A 9
273 31793961 1983 FLEER 69 JIM PALMER N/A 9
274 31793962 1983 FLEER 463 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
275 31793963 1983 FLEER 70 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 9
276 31793964 1983 FLEER 70 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 9
277 31793965 1983 FLEER 70 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 9
278 31793966 1983 FLEER 507 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 9
279 31793967 1983 FLEER 179 WADE BOGGS N/A 9
280 31793968 1996 SPx KG1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. COMMEMORATIVE 9
281 31793969 1992 BOWMAN 532 MANNY RAMIREZ N/A 10
282 31793970 1984 FLEER 17 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 8
283 31793971 1982 TOPPS 21 ORIOLES FUTURE STARS BONNER/RIPKEN/SCHNEIDER 9
284 31793972 1994 ULTRA 39 FRANK THOMAS N/A 8
285 31793973 1994 ULTRA 203 JEFF BAGWELL N/A 8
286 31793974 1994 ULTRA 2 DON MATTINGLY AWARD WINNERS 10
287 31793975 1995 COLL. CHOICE 88 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 10
288 31793976 1995 COLL. CHOICE 52 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
289 31793977 1995 COLL. CHOICE 46 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
290 31793978 1995 COLL. CHOICE 15 DEREK JETER N/A 9
291 31793979 1992 TOPPS GOLD 434 WALLY BACKMAN N/A 8
292 31793980 1992 TOPPS GOLD 420 SANDY ALOMAR N/A 8
293 31793981 1992 TOPPS GOLD 382 SID FERNANDEZ N/A 9
294 31793982 1992 TOPPS GOLD 680 DALE MURPHY N/A 8
295 31793983 1992 TOPPS GOLD 655 BRETT BUTLER N/A 8
296 31793984 1992 TOPPS GOLD 10 WADE BOGGS N/A 9
297 31793985 1992 TOPPS GOLD 440 DOUG DRABEK N/A 9
298 31793986 1992 TOPPS GOLD 30 JOHN KRUK N/A 8
299 31793987 1992 TOPPS GOLD 225 ROBERTO ALOMAR N/A 9
300 31793988 1992 TOPPS GOLD 200 LEN DYKSTRA N/A 9
301 31793989 1992 TOPPS GOLD 290 BO JACKSON N/A 9
302 31793990 1992 TOPPS GOLD 630 CARLTON FISK N/A 9
303 31793991 NEEDS PSA/DNA NO GRADE-VOUCHER N/A Not Holdered, No Holder Available
304 31793992 1992 TOPPS GOLD 555 FRANK THOMAS N/A 9
305 31793993 1992 TOPPS GOLD 305 TOM GLAVINE N/A 8
306 31793994 1992 TOPPS GOLD 790 JOE CARTER N/A 9
307 31793995 1992 TOPPS GOLD 779 JAY BELL N/A 9
308 31793996 1992 TOPPS GOLD 577 KEVIN SEITZER N/A 9
309 31793997 1992 TOPPS GOLD 695 GARY SHEFFIELD N/A 9
310 31793998 1992 TOPPS GOLD 792 DAVE WINFIELD N/A 9
311 31793999 1992 TOPPS GOLD 2 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 10
312 31794000 1992 TOPPS GOLD 550 DARRYL STRAWBERRY N/A 8
313 31794001 1992 TOPPS GOLD 460 ANDRE DAWSON N/A 10
314 31794002 1992 TOPPS GOLD 400 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 8
315 31794003 1992 TOPPS GOLD 715 CRAIG BIGGIO N/A 8
316 31794004 1992 TOPPS GOLD 401 JOSE CANSECO N/A 9
317 31794005 1992 TOPPS GOLD 270 TONY GWYNN N/A 8
318 31794006 1992 TOPPS GOLD 660 FRED McGRIFF N/A 8
319 31794007 1992 TOPPS GOLD 465 BARRY LARKIN N/A 9
320 31794008 1992 TOPPS GOLD 390 BARRY BONDS N/A 10
321 31794009 1992 TOPPS GOLD 1 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
322 31794010 1992 TOPPS GOLD 405 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 8
323 31794011 1992 TOPPS GOLD 100 JOSE CANSECO N/A 9
324 31794012 1992 TOPPS GOLD 27 JUAN GONZALEZ N/A 9
325 31794013 1992 TOPPS GOLD 551 TOP PROSPECTS- SHORTSTOPS 10
326 31794014 1992 TOPPS GOLD 387 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 8
327 31794015 1992 TOPPS GOLD 316 CURT SCHILLING N/A 9OC
328 31794016 1992 TOPPS GOLD 399 WADE BOGGS N/A 9
329 31794017 1992 TOPPS GOLD 760 OZZIE SMITH N/A 8
330 31794018 1992 TOPPS GOLD 186 CLIFF FLOYD N/A 9
331 31794019 1992 TOPPS GOLD 520 JEFF BAGWELL N/A 8
332 31794020 1992 TOPPS GOLD 4 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
333 31794021 1992 TOPPS GOLD 560 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 10
334 31794022 1992 TOPPS GOLD 156 MANNY RAMIREZ N/A 9
335 31794023 1992 TOPPS GOLD 110 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 8
336 31794024 1992 TOPPS GOLD 50 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 8
337 31794025 1992 TOPPS GOLD 450 MARK McGWIRE N/A 8
338 31794026 1992 TOPPS GOLD 45 GARY CARTER N/A 9
339 31794027 1992 TOPPS GOLD 575 KIRBY PUCKETT N/A 9
340 31794028 1992 TOPPS GOLD 374 BERNIE WILLIAMS N/A 8
341 31794029 1992 TOPPS GOLD 245 JOHN SMOLTZ N/A 9
342 31794030 1992 TOPPS GOLD 347 KENT HRBEK N/A 10
343 31794031 1992 TOPPS GOLD 690 JOHN FRANCO N/A 9
344 31794032 1992 TOPPS GOLD 725 DOC GOODEN N/A 9
345 31794033 1992 TOPPS GOLD 40 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 8
346 31794034 1992 TOPPS GOLD 620 GEORGE BRETT N/A 9
347 31794035 1992 TOPPS GOLD 80 DAVID JUSTICE N/A 8
348 31794036 1992 TOPPS GOLD 207 JACK CLARK N/A 9
349 31794037 1992 TOPPS GOLD 386 WILL CLARK N/A 9
350 31794038 1992 TOPPS GOLD 300 DON MATTINGLY N/A 9
351 31794039 1992 TOPPS GOLD 150 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 9OC
352 31794040 1992 TOPPS GOLD 6 BRIEN TAYLOR N/A 8
353 31794041 1992 TOPPS GOLD 330 WILL CLARK N/A 8
354 31794042 1992 TOPPS GOLD 5 DAVE WINFIELD N/A 9
355 31794043 1992 TOPPS GOLD 389 BARRY LARKIN N/A 9
356 31794044 1992 TOPPS GOLD 242 MIKE MUSSINA N/A 9
357 31794045 1992 TOPPS GOLD 645 DEION SANDERS N/A 9
358 31794046 1992 TOPPS GOLD 78 IVAN RODRIGUEZ N/A 8
359 31794047 1992 TOPPS GOLD 380 BARRY BONDS N/A 8
360 31794048 1982 TOPPS GOLD 780 EDDIE MURRAY N/A 9
361 31794049 1983 DONRUSS 598 TONY GWYNN N/A 7
362 31794050 1983 DONRUSS 219 STEVE CARLTON N/A 9
363 31794051 1983 DONRUSS 326 CARL YASTRZEMSKI N/A 9
364 31794052 1983 DONRUSS 338 GEORGE BRETT N/A 9
365 31794053 1983 DONRUSS 338 GEORGE BRETT N/A 9
366 31794054 1985 DONRUSS 584 JOE MORGAN N/A 7
367 31794055 1985 DONRUSS 616 JOE CARTER N/A 8
368 31794056 1985 DONRUSS 14 CAL RIPKEN JR. DIAMOND KINGS 9
369 31794057 1996 SKYBOX E-X2000 53 ALLEN IVERSON N/A 8
370 31794058 1996 SKYBOX E-X2000 4 ANTOINE WALKER N/A 9
371 31794059 1996 SKYBOX E-X2000 57 JASON KIDD N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
372 31794060 1996 SKYBOX E-X2000 9 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 9
373 31794061 1996 SKYBOX E-X2000 76 S. ABDUR-RAHIM N/A 9

Date Received: 04/07/2007
Date of Grades Posted: 06/12/2007
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

CDsNuts

Ugh, I know the feeling. Maybe the other sub got a different grader.

Rogermnj

It just makes me sick that i spent so much time opening the product and looking at every corner and it was all for nothing.
56 10s out of 373 cards on a modern submission is just not going to cut it.

detroitfan2

There was another recent thread about the "tests" that graders go through before they are hired.

When I see something like this (17 freshly opened cards sent back as evidence of trimming), I feel like PSA should allow the submitter to send the cards back to PSA and have additional graders inspect the cards (without them knowing the cards were rejected). If the cards pass through other graders successfully, the original grader would then have some 'splaining to do. This would be a type of quality assurance exercise and also keep submitters happy.

Just my 2 cents.

jimq112

If I spent that much money all at once on grading fees and got those results I think I would email/call joe orlando and ask for a little help, at least on a review of the cards labeled trimmed. Maybe he can check and see if it is a new grader and see if there's a problem.

Makes me scared to send in the sub I'm working on, seeing more and more cards called "trimmed". My last sub had a rejected clemente as trimmed that I pulled from a pack back in the 60s and also 2 autos that were signed in front of me.

PSA needs to fix this soon.

CDsNuts

The disturbing thing is that you're seeing less and less "Min Size Req." and more and more "Ev. Trimming". This means PSA is keeping your grading fees rather than giving you a voucher instead. Sometimes pack-fresh cards don't measure up. Fine. Don't give me BS that you think their trimmed if they show no signs of it.

Lee

SDavid

I think the graders tend to get a bit jumpy when they see high grade cards with colored borders. If these cards were from a combination of vending and rack/wax, the size differential may have thrown them off. Still, they should be able to examine the edges under a loupe and determine whether there's any evidence of trimming. I'd either contact Joe or Carol and tell them your concerns regarding the rejects.

Rogermnj

I would like to meet the person that is taking a 1996ex-2000 jason kidd base card and trimming it!!!

pallllllllllleaaaaaaaaaaseeeeeeee

Buccaneer

Question. Even in the unlikely event that all of these got 10, would it have been worth the enormous grading fees?

julen23

is "hobby v investment" the real topic here or what?

1- i can't believe you didn't have more 10s also, that just seems like a lot of quality cards to yield so few
2- what type of grading service did u use? as so many many people have said b4, and i agree, the type of grading service chosen is important and very understated

gl

julen

Rogermnj

Yes, if they all got 10s, it would have been worth the grading fees for me.
If 120 came back 10 it would have been worth it for me.
Roger-

Rogermnj

The scary thing about all of this is that i have another 3300 cards coming....

Oh well..

At least these cards kept me busy for a few months and kept me away from gambling.
All of the money i spent on grading and product wouldnt cover one of my vegas trips.

I suck at life..

GG PSA.

MeteoriteGuy

That is actually pretty good I think for your first submission. Sorry you didn't get all the grades you wanted and those 1985 Topps are a bummer.

Good luck on the other 3330.

Mark

Rogermnj

Mark,

Thanks man. When i originally posted this message I was hoping i would get more responses like this so i would feel a little bit better.

As i mentioned in some other threads, i havent been involved in cards since 1998. When i saw all the registry stuff i decided to step back in the ring.

Now i just need to find the guy making a wally backman psa set so i can get rid of that 1992 topps gold psa 8.

wtf was i thinking!?!

Roger-

Buccaneer

<< <i>That is actually pretty good I think for your first submission. >>



I agree with that. I've done a submission of similar cards (but nearly that many) and they were a mix of 7-8-9, as I expected.

julen, when you pay to get your cards authenticated and professionally graded, then yes, it becomes something more than putting those cards in a binder, esp. if your intent is to gamble in flipping the cards for a profit.

Good luck.

Rogermnj

if qmayer reads this thread, please pm your info. You guessed this would pop 6/13 and won the contest.

Roger-

fandango

I think its great you are spending your time/money on cards/grading rather than in evil Vegas....that place is place of overindulgence, greed, glutton, and evil....the more you stay away from vegas, the better you are...they dont say "what happens in vegas stays in vegas" for nothing....you would be ashamed to let anyone know the details of a week long trip there....

In regards to your first submission....this is PSA, not BGS...you cant expect a lot of 10's.....look at the corner real well, if there is anything close to an imperfection, its a 9....if its something you see within 5 seconds of looking at the corner, it s an 8....

a PSA 10 has PERFECT corners.....yes some PSA 10's may have "slightly-off" centering, but PSA 10 requirements are not 50/50 corners...some imperfection in centering is allowed....

you should have started with a smaller first submission to gauge YOUR grading skills....

i havent checked POP reports, but in some issues, its near-impossible to score a 10 (especially with gold borders)....

i have some Pujols rookies in which the highest grade is a PSA 7.....some issues are tougher than others, dont beat yourself up over non-10 grades....

your eye will improve with time, i say stick with the cards and stay away from the tables cowboy!

Rogermnj

I hear what you are saying.

Back in 1998 when grading was getting started i submitted thousands of cards. I had a 9-10year break but this is far from my first submission ever.

Some of the cards were looked through at 4am after HOURS of looking through cards.. i know what to look for .. maybe my vision is getting bad or maybe i was just tired.

Roger-

Alfonz24

Roger,

Just another "we have all been there with our first PSA submission" post.

I know I have improved with subsequent submissions, but I still miss flaws. When I see the grades pop and scream WTF. Then I get them back in the mail and look closer and tell myself what a dufus for missing something on a card.

The best advice I have read is to evaluate each card at least twice at different times. You may not see something one day but catch it another before you plunk down your money.

Best of luck on your remaining submissions.

Boopotts

<< <i>Mark,

Thanks man. When i originally posted this message I was hoping i would get more responses like this so i would feel a little bit better.

As i mentioned in some other threads, i havent been involved in cards since 1998. When i saw all the registry stuff i decided to step back in the ring.

Now i just need to find the guy making a wally backman psa set so i can get rid of that 1992 topps gold psa 8.

wtf was i thinking!?!

Roger- >>



I know this is coming a little late, but for future reference I would abstain from grading any of this stuff in the future. Even with PSA 10's there is no margin; you can get most of these cards off the 'bay in PSA 10 holders for $10-$15, which means when you add up the time it takes to break the boxes, pull the cards, inspect them, send them off (I'm guessing it took you almost 40 hrs. just to log all 3400 of these onto submission forms), try to sell them, pay Ebay fees, etc., you end up far, far into the red.

There used to be a small market for low pop PSA 10's for HOFers, but with the shrinking number of registry participants in player sets (or at least a shrinking number that will pay $25 for a PSA 10) and PSA's new rules re: adding cards to a set even that market is done. If you have to gamble with cards start buying high dollar PSA 7's and 8's and go for bump-ups. Otherwise I'd just forget it.

Buccaneer

...or go to Las Vegas. Despite what fandango said, at least you can have some real fun while wasting your money out there. All of the effort to go through this (as boo said) doesn't sound like any fun at all and what do you have to show for it? A huge pile of plastic slabs? At least Vegas is much more, how shall I say it, interactive?

Rogermnj

You are right.

I started this months ago when i saw all these ebay auctions going off for pretty decent #'s and made lots of miscalculations.

Live and learn.

It was fun, it kept me busy.... No worries.

Maybe i will start my own registry sets...

Roger-

Boopotts

<< <i>Roger,

Just another "we have all been there with our first PSA submission" post.

I know I have improved with subsequent submissions, but I still miss flaws. When I see the grades pop and scream WTF. Then I get them back in the mail and look closer and tell myself what a dufus for missing something on a card.

The best advice I have read is to evaluate each card at least twice at different times. You may not see something one day but catch it another before you plunk down your money.

Best of luck on your remaining submissions. >>



I would just add that if you have to spend that much effort scrutinizing a card it probably isn't worth submitting in the first place. Let's say you can hit 45% PSA 10's if you pull out the loupe, calipers, micrometers, electromagnetic wave generator, and so forth. If a PSA 10 sells for $15, and a PSA 9 sells for 3$, then 100 cards will gross (45*15)+(55*3), or $840. At first blush that might seem worth it. But of that $840 you will spend $500 in grading fees, another $80 or so in Ebay fees, and another $40 or so in Paypal fees, which brings you down to $200 profit. Now add up all the time you have into the pre-grading, the money you spend on the product, and the time it takes to list and ship all this stuff, and you're looknig at making burger-flipping money; and THAT assumes you can get $15 for each PSA 10 from the 1988 Topps football set, which is by no means a guarantee.

If you're submitting stuff for your own sets then that's one thing. But if you're submitting for resale then the number do not add up; you'd need to hit something like 70% 10's to even consider a move like this, and even with that higher PSA 10 ratio you're looking at spending a ton more in product just to find those cards.

If you've got money to burn then I'd buy a few boxes of '03 Exquisite and see what happens. You'll probably lose your shorts, but at least there's a chance that something good will happen. Grading 80's cards that aren't high profile RC's is akin to playing a slot machine that's only programmed to pay out 5 coins every 6 pulls; your dough disappears, but you don't even get a thrill-- or even a chance at a thrill-- for your buck.

Rogermnj

Again you are right...

But when i search ebay and see a 1992 fleer robin yount sell for $90 and a 1984 topps dwight stephenson sell for $2500 and some 1993 nolan ryan base card sell for $90... I think i am going to send in 3500 cards and make eleventy million dollars( dont forget to put the pinky in the mouth)..

Like i said, I had other problems in my life that still made this worth it for me..

I will probably just list them all in my ebay store at a reasonable price to me and try to sell a card here and there. (the 5-10cent listing fees wont hurt me too much)

The money isnt going to effect my life but ofcourse it would have been nice to make a profit AND live a healthy lifestyle..

Roger-

Boopotts

<< <i>Again you are right...

But when i search ebay and see a 1992 fleer robin yount sell for $90 and a 1984 topps dwight stephenson sell for $2500 and some 1993 nolan ryan base card sell for $90... I think i am going to send in 3500 cards and make eleventy million dollars( dont forget to put the pinky in the mouth)..

Like i said, I had other problems in my life that still made this worth it for me..

I will probably just list them all in my ebay store at a reasonable price to me and try to sell a card here and there. (the 5-10cent listing fees wont hurt me too much)

The money isnt going to effect my life but ofcourse it would have been nice to make a profit AND live a healthy lifestyle..

Roger- >>



LOL! Robin Yount is an entirely different story. The 'rules of the game' do not apply to Robin Yount cards in PSA 10 when the card is needed by two specific Yount collectors. I have sold PSA 10 Robin Yount 1990 Topps stickers for $110+, for instance. But with almost every other player you can name there is either a) nobody really aggressively collecting them (Gwynn, Gary Carter, Eddie Murray), b) only one guy who's prepared to bid aggressively on cards he needs (Puckett, Clemens, Ryan), or c) plenty of guys collecting that player, but no one who wants to pay a significant amount of money for PSA 10's that aren't in the basic set (Ripken, Ozzie Smith). With football you're doomed unless it's a Marino or Montana card that someone really needs.

One caveat; if you can get a hold of PSA 10's of Bonds or A-Rod you can OK if John Woody decides to bid, since that guy is a buying machine. But if you piss him off- which I did--- then the market for those cards is nonexistent.

Boopotts

One other thing, Roger. If you have five figures to kick around consider getting serious about cracking and resubmitting. If you stay away from cards being sold by big dealers (most of them are not in the business of selling undergraded PSA cards) you can make the occasional hit that way. If you can bear to do it learn the modern market inside and out (by modern I mean post-2000), as there are a ton of 21st century cards floating around in BGS and PSA 9 holders that would bump if resubmitted.

Rogermnj

This is only 373 cards... roughly 10% of what i have coming in the next 6 weeks.

I will attempt to sell some and get some more grades back before i know anything for sure.

Roger-

Boopotts

<< <i>This is only 373 cards... roughly 10% of what i have coming in the next 6 weeks.

I will attempt to sell some and get some more grades back before i know anything for sure.

Roger- >>




Best of luck with the rest of it. I hope it works out.

gosteelers

I think its great you are spending your time/money on cards/grading rather than in evil Vegas....that place is place of overindulgence, greed, glutton, and evil....the more you stay away from vegas, the better you are...they dont say "what happens in vegas stays in vegas" for nothing....you would be ashamed to let anyone know the details of a week long trip there....

I don't think he likes Las Vegas...Now that the editorial is out of the way, let's carry on...

mikeschmidt

Sorry that you're so unhappy with the results....

Quick question -- it appears to me (anyway) that perhaps you were focusing more on the corners and not so much on centering. I noticed a lot of qualified 9s in your submission. Could you have been focusing too much on corners and not so much so on the centering issues? I wonder/question if that is why you didn't get more 10s...perhaps the centering was not strong enough to warrant a 10.

Anyway -- you are obviously sick to your stomach, sorry about the results. How many submissions have you made prior to this one?

Bosox1976

Better luck on the next pop. Evid of Trim is being used awfully capriciously at PSA.

carew4me

Not tryng to rub this in but it appears as an addictive personality type that you sent these hoping the dealer
would deal a you a flush hand. The same gambling energy, looking for the big payoff.

Maybe grading cardboard is not the road to wellness, you seem to be reacting like you "lost it all" at the tables.

Also, you submits that kind of volume on their first sub unless they are looking for big returns or at least the thrill of such?

SDavid

Adding to what Boo said, I think one of the hardest things with grading is avoiding the trap where you submit a lot of cards with a marginal chance of return just to qualify for bulk pricing. I've seen a lot of subs where the submitter received high grades on key cards, but squandered much of the profit on lower value cards in common condition. I've learned that it's better to spend $10-13 per card on cards expected to bring a good hammer price rather than spending $5-6 on cards that are mostly junk. Of course, that requires the ability to nail down the grades at least the majority of time, but that skill will come with experience.

stown

<< <i>Not tryng to rub this in but it appears as an addictive personality type that you sent these hoping the dealer
would deal a you a flush hand. The same gambling energy, looking for the big payoff.

Maybe grading cardboard is not the road to wellness, you seem to be reacting like you "lost it all" at the tables.

Also, you submits that kind of volume on their first sub unless they are looking for big returns or at least the thrill of such? >>





And as he said, not looking to rub salt into the wound.. Just seems.. Um.. Odd?

Good luck with your remaining +/- 1K of cards

CDsNuts

I think this might be a 1/1:

360 31794048 1982 TOPPS GOLD 780 EDDIE MURRAY N/A 9


Boo is right. There is a rhyme or reason to things selling for what they do. Pick up on those patterns and you might be able to make some money by grading. Unfortunately the modern/semi-vintage market has been changing so rapidly that once you figure it out, you're stuck with a bunch of stuff you have to break even or take a loss on because it's not in great demand any more.

For instance, a 1987 OPC Bonds RC sold for $900 at the end of April. Over the next few weeks, a lot of unopened 87 OPC material and complete 87 OPC sets were sold. The another OPC Bonds just sold for $600. At this point, it would be fairly stupid to buy up all the unopened 87 OPC you can find, because the price has gone up while the Bonds has gone down. It's only gonna keep coming down, but the $900 pricetag, while fairly high, made sense because everyone is buying Bonds RCs and this is the rarest PSA 10. It's hard to be ahead of the game, but that's what it takes if you want to make money by gambling on cards.