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never heard of dog fighting...

kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
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no BS i have never heard of it till this mike vick thing has all come out..


edit post after seeing video. very bad comparison on my part.

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  • Kid4hof03Kid4hof03 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While I don't watch UFC I'd have to say the biggest difference is your talking about people making a choice to enter this as a profession vs. animals that are being thrust into something. This isn't like wild animals that are fighting for survival, it's people using the animals for sport and for gambling purposes. That's just my take.

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  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    you make a good point about animals being thrust into this.. like i said i didnt look into this that much.. im guessing vick and company are in deep sh$t..

    will vick ever play in the nfl again? bc from what ive heard and what im reading the fbi is in charge now.. and they dug up over 30 dead dogs in that yard of his house? again things ive read on line and heard could be true or not? i dont no.
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    ufc, cawk fighting, dog fighting. 2 men enter one man leave!
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    C'mon man - the fighters that enter the UFC have a choice, the dogs do not. Simple as that.
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    kuhlmann,

    I'm not a big fan of UFC, MMA, etc, so I can see where you are coming from.

    In mixed martial arts fighting, a ref will end the fight if one participant can no longer defend themselves.

    Dog fights, which can last for hours without a break, is to the death. People are gambling on which dog will survive. In Vick's case, allegedly, he was betting 10s of thousands per fight. In America and other civilized nations, it's considered animal abuse.

    Do a google or youtube search for a video and you will understand... I saw a clip on Primetime or 20/20 (whichever did the story on Vick) and couldn't watch more than 5 seconds. It made me ill and disgusted.

    Disclaimer: I am an animal lover, non-hunter, meat eater, but not a PETA supporter.
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  • drewsefdrewsef Posts: 1,894 ✭✭
    dog fighting is not only the actual fight itself, they starve and are cruel to the animals long before they enter the ring. Anyone who condones this in my opinion should be held to those same standards.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,002 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is no comparison at all, these poor dogs end up getting seriously mauled to death, they are forced into a pit and are fighting to the death, it is a very inhumane sport. These guys that are into it are sick individuals.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>dog fighting is not only the actual fight itself, they starve and are cruel to the animals long before they enter the ring. Anyone who condones this in my opinion should be held to those same standards. >>



    I should have mentioned this in my post but that was without coffee image

    The dog's short-lived life revolves around training, being abused, and becoming a violent, vicious animal.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As others mentioned already, there's no comparison here, as these dogs are tortured and abused and then forced to fight one another to the death. Can't say I'm really surprised that Vick is involved, though. His brother is a total dirtbag, too, so obviously he wasn't raised right, either.


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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    but is UFC any different?

    Are you serious? What is your real agenda here???
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,272 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There is no comparison at all, these poor dogs end up getting seriously mauled to death, they are forced into a pit and are fighting to the death, it is a very inhumane sport. These guys that are into it are sick individuals. >>




    Spot on - Totally agree!
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>is UFC any different? >>




    Let's say someone throws you in jail for no reason. Then they starve you and beat you. Finally they put you in a ring where some crazy guy is going to bite your neck until you die unless you can beat him to it.

    I hate UFC. It's popularity is a sad comment on society. But the two don't resemble one and other at all in the big picture.
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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,002 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not saying anyone here is comparing UFC and dog fighting and blah blah bla, but another difference is the UFC is sanctioned with a refferee, these dogs dont get out until the other is killed.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    If not then arent we all paying 49.99 a payper view fight to watch to guys kill each other?

    More people have died during a boxing match than in ANY MMA competitions. Don't we watch football every Sunday to see some quarterback get sacked by someone TWICE his size?
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Just as a side note, kuhlmann said he had zero knowledge of dog fighting.

    Don't believe he has an angenda, just getting edumacated image
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    MMA is full of people who are knowledgeable, trained (usually), and its overseen by a referee and a governing body (unless your fighting tommy morrison on an Indian reservation)..

    MMA is safer than boxing.. and its not comparable to dog fighting at all..
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, I don't think we have built enough of a history on MMA to say that it's safer than boxing. I think just looking at the two sports you might have less head trauma and brain function issues later in life with MMA but the 2 fights I watched last night, one ended with a girl completely fracturing and dislocating her ankle in a very gruesome injury and the other with a complete cold knockout that required back boards and an ambulance. I think once some years of history is built up you will find more high trauma injuries to the extremities versus the head and brain injuries you find in boxing. Neither is safe for the fighter. Neither compares to dog fighting which also using inhumane techniques of raising dogs to be viscous and mean. In Indy every week we are seeing pit bull attacks mostly on children with one so bad that a little girls face was almost completely bitten off (happened 1 year ago but they just ran a followup story).
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, I don't think we have built enough of a history on MMA to say that it's safer than boxing. I think just looking at the two sports you might have less head trauma and brain function issues later in life with MMA but the 2 fights I watched last night, one ended with a girl completely fracturing and dislocating her ankle in a very gruesome injury and the other with a complete cold knockout that required back boards and an ambulance. I think once some years of history is built up you will find more high trauma injuries to the extremities versus the head and brain injuries you find in boxing. Neither is safe for the fighter. Neither compares to dog fighting which also using inhumane techniques of raising dogs to be viscous and mean. In Indy every week we are seeing pit bull attacks mostly on children with one so bad that a little girls face was almost completely bitten off (happened 1 year ago but they just ran a followup story). >>



    still, completely fracturing and dislocating an ankle is much better than any kind of brain injury.
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>still, completely fracturing and dislocating an ankle is much better than any kind of brain injury. >>



    Never thought of it that way but you gotta admit, he's right.
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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    << still, completely fracturing and dislocating an ankle is much better than any kind of brain injury

    Just ask Phil Leotardo image
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Being permantly disabled isn't a walk in the park either. We had a person suffer the same injury at our company softball game last year, will never walk again w/o a cane and needed 10 surgeries and counting. It's too early to know the effects on the brain of MMA events people are just speculating that it's safer.
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    << <i>Being permantly disabled isn't a walk in the park either. We had a person suffer the same injury at our company softball game last year, will never walk again w/o a cane and needed 10 surgeries and counting. It's too early to know the effects on the brain of MMA events people are just speculating that it's safer. >>



    You convinced me... Being a vegetable sounds so much better than walking around with a cane.
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  • tcmitssrtcmitssr Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭
    It's just my humble opinion but I think the Commish should investigate this, independent of the authorities and suspend him for half the season if the NFL finds his involvement occurred.
  • alpemomoalpemomo Posts: 355 ✭
    no BS i have never heard of it till this mike vick thing has all come out..


    I in no way think its right.. but is UFC any different?


    again i havent looked into this dog fighting thing to much.. so maybe they fight to the death? if so its different then UFC..

    If not then arent we all paying 49.99 a payper view fight to watch to guys kill each other? so really whats the differenece?


    This is the most moronic post I've ever read here - this one is up there with the JoeStalin Thesis post.

    How can you compare a sport in which two trained fighters are matching up different styles and have game planned on how to beat the other apending many hours on conditioning and training, while a referee is monitoring the fighters to make sure none of them get seriously hurt. As opposed to dog fighting where you abuse and starve dogs and put them in a ring to kill each other.

    Most times if a dog survives that loses they are killed - yeah sounds like the same sport, moron!

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  • dirtmonkeydirtmonkey Posts: 3,048 ✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, I don't think we have built enough of a history on MMA to say that it's safer than boxing. I think just looking at the two sports you might have less head trauma and brain function issues later in life with MMA but the 2 fights I watched last night, one ended with a girl completely fracturing and dislocating her ankle in a very gruesome injury and the other with a complete cold knockout that required back boards and an ambulance. I think once some years of history is built up you will find more high trauma injuries to the extremities versus the head and brain injuries you find in boxing. Neither is safe for the fighter. Neither compares to dog fighting which also using inhumane techniques of raising dogs to be viscous and mean. In Indy every week we are seeing pit bull attacks mostly on children with one so bad that a little girls face was almost completely bitten off (happened 1 year ago but they just ran a followup story). >>



    People always dump on MMA /UFC, but have you seen or heard many of the health situations that go on with many former NFL'ers? C'mon, most of these guys have spine, knee, joint issues that debilitate them after their careers are done. Add in the decent amount of guys that suffer from symptoms caused by multiple concussions too. Boxing has many guys-gone-dumb like Hollyfield. Early in his career, he sounded pretty intelligent and I could understand everything he said. Now... uhhh, Gee Tennessee. MMA fights are generally ended quickly if there's even a sign that the other guy is out of it. The UFC is very good at this. Unlike the NFL, they don't allow a guy to take in a few smelling salts, get a pain shot and a big ol' tape job and re-enter the game. Football is my favorite sport to watch and the only one I played in school, so it's not as though I don't love it. But I think the NFL is more brutal than 95% of the MMA bouts I watch. Maybe not for players like Randy Moss who runs from contact like a girl, but for the guys who mix it up it is.
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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>no BS i have never heard of it till this mike vick thing has all come out..


    I in no way think its right.. but is UFC any different?


    again i havent looked into this dog fighting thing to much.. so maybe they fight to the death? if so its different then UFC..

    If not then arent we all paying 49.99 a payper view fight to watch to guys kill each other? so really whats the differenece?


    This is the most moronic post I've ever read here - this one is up there with the JoeStalin Thesis post.

    How can you compare a sport in which two trained fighters are matching up different styles and have game planned on how to beat the other apending many hours on conditioning and training, while a referee is monitoring the fighters to make sure none of them get seriously hurt. As opposed to dog fighting where you abuse and starve dogs and put them in a ring to kill each other.

    Most times if a dog survives that loses they are killed - yeah sounds like the same sport, moron! >>



    You forgot there is also A DOCTOR and a MEDIC to help with cyts and scrapes...DUH!
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    Like i said in my post.. i have zero knowledge of dog fighting ..this is the first time i have ever heard of it.. i actually watch all ufc fights and they are much more brutal then boxing.

    was just throwing something out there. for others to talk about. my main??? though was what you guys think is going to happen to vick and company? will he be suspended this year?
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>what you guys think is going to happen to vick and company? >>



    Whatever happens, Vick will flick them the dirty bird image

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  • dirtmonkeydirtmonkey Posts: 3,048 ✭✭


    << <i>Like i said in my post.. i have zero knowledge of dog fighting ..this is the first time i have ever heard of it.. i actually watch all ufc fights and they are much more brutal then boxing. >>



    I read an article where a doctor stated that if they fought the same number of matches, the likelihood of a MMA fighter incurring the same amount of brain damage that a boxer does in next to impossible. Immediate reasoning was that the fights in the UFC are shorter and the fighter usually takes many less punches to the head. He also stated that although the use of lighter gloves in MMA causes more immediate physical damage such as cuts, it also knocks most guys out faster because of one intensity of the blow. He stated that with the big gloves the boxers use, it actually causes like a bunch of mini concussions as the brain gets jostled, but the impact is lessened by the gloves so the brain basically takes more abuse over a longer period and doesn't know when to "shut down". Add the fatigue and the boxers lack of oxygen, and that's apparently one of the main reasons boxers become "punch drunk".

    They (MMA fights) are more brutal to the eye, but apparently not to the brain.
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