Two NGC Abbreviations... what do they mean?

airplanenut

I've got two NGC abbreviations in front of me, but I can't figure out what they mean. On the second, Krause was not helpful, either, since I couldn't find the coin

I have...

1350-64 France R'OR (FR-278 Jean II Le Bon)
1672-74 Netherlands F'LYS (DOTF-1962)

Thanks for the help!

Jeremy

CIVITAS

R'OR = Real d'Or, Royal d'Or, Royale d'Or (depending)

Is the second coin gold or silver?

TwoKopeiki

Could the second abbreviation stand for Franc au Lys?

Edit: Nevermind, Henry IV was long dead in 1672, plus the coins is from Netherlands.

airplanenut

The second piece is copper. The full label says:

(1672-74) NETHERLAND F'LYS
C/S IN 1595 FRANCE-DOMBES
AG3
DOTF-1962

TwoKopeiki

Ah, that makes sense.

Does the counterstamp look like this? It could be a French counterstamp in the name of Henry IV...

Come on, people, where are our French experts? I'm going out on quite a limb here

airplanenut

Yup... looks like that one!

CIVITAS

AG-3? Looks like NGC doesn't know you're supposed to grade the counterstamp, not the host coin.....

ozzysdad47

Fleur D' Lys?

ajaan

Frito Lays?

CIVITAS

The attribution to the Netherlands and the dates are correct according to Brunk. Supposedly countermarked during Louis XIVs invasion during those years. I cannot find anyone who has stepped out on a limb and actually offered a name for the denomination though, so I am assuming that the abbreviation is for Fleur de Lys referencing the countermark's design.

dan8402

<< <i>Frito Lays? >>



Thats quite a tasty designation

airplanenut

Thanks for the help, everyone! Fleur de Lys came across my mind, but I didn't want to embarrass myself misspelling it

danglen

<< <i> Thanks for the help, everyone! Fleur de Lys came across my mind, but I didn't want to embarrass myself misspelling it >>



Jeremy, .......you......embarrased????? Never happen

airplanenut

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<< <i> Thanks for the help, everyone! Fleur de Lys came across my mind, but I didn't want to embarrass myself misspelling it >>



Jeremy, .......you......embarrased????? Never happen >>

Nah, never