Bust Time - Rate this Baby..."-)

DenverDave · May 30, 2007 12:20PM

Now get your minds out of the gutter..."-)

She's a cutie tho, what Grade and Overton do you think...

Fletcher · May 30, 2007 12:22PM

It looks like someone has been pawing at the bust on your bust ... but, gorgeous coin

DeusExMachina · May 30, 2007 12:26PM

<< <i>It looks like someone has been pawing at the bust on your bust ... but, gorgeous coin

>>

That's a bust reduction.

DD, beautiful coin.

StopMotion · May 30, 2007 12:29PM

Don't have my Books out, but Nice Clash Marks!!

SM

nankraut · May 30, 2007 12:30PM

AU55, due to "excess rubbing on breasts"

AU58WALKERS · May 30, 2007 12:31PM

au53

braddick · May 30, 2007 12:32PM

Lovely, premium AU half.

pcgs69 · May 30, 2007 12:34PM

I'd say 50

rhedden · May 30, 2007 12:36PM

I'll guess PCGS AU50, but actually could be as low as EF45 (by wear). Coins like this are tough to grade because the attractive colors tempt you to bump the grade up. In addition, one sometimes forgets to look past the toning and check if the coin has any remaining luster. Throw in a bit of a soft strike or late die state, and you have a grading mess that few people would relish sorting out. This particular example has enough wear to make me consider EF45, but it's got great eye appeal and I think it should be bumped up to AU50.

Connecticoin · May 30, 2007 12:39PM

Looks AU-50 ish.

themaster · May 30, 2007 12:39PM

Beautiful coin. AU55 O-Babe.

Have a Great Day!
Louis

Tiny · May 30, 2007 12:42PM

VF

All so reminds me of an old song from high school.

If all young girls where like diamonds and rubies,
And I was a jeweler I'd polish their boobies,

SkyMan · May 30, 2007 1:10PM

Nice looking coin, DD! I'd grade her "Pretty".

LincolnCentMan · May 30, 2007 1:14PM

I rate it AU55 knock out!

-David

lordmarcovan · May 30, 2007 1:35PM

I rate it supercalifragilisticexpialadocious.

See? I betcha thought I couldn't spell that.

Ha. I can even type it backwards. Suoicodalaipxecitsiligarfilacrepus.

Hm. Typed that way, it sorta looks like some kind of prescription cough medicine, or a form of VD, or maybe a rare subspecies of Malaysian six-toed zebra sloth.

123cents · May 30, 2007 1:38PM

Beautiful coin. AU-53.

RickMilauskas · May 30, 2007 1:54PM

Beautiful....

Nice toning and clash on reverse...

AU50.

DenverDave · May 30, 2007 1:59PM

Some of you guys are tuff, whats the lady to do...

A lot going on with this Baby as with most Ladies..."-)

Anyone for the Overton, only 49 pairs in the 1827 series...

Here's a hint it's a R.4 and here's the grade....

Darkmane · May 30, 2007 2:02PM

I woulda guessed 53/55. With early type, however - with anything greater than XF - eye appeal is much more important than grade, IMO.

numobri · May 30, 2007 2:03PM

I liked what rhedden said.Nice looking coin,I like it.

As for the grade,XF45. JMO.

Brian

edmerlr · May 30, 2007 2:30PM

1827 O-129, R4-

jmj3esq · May 30, 2007 2:41PM

The "bust" has some odd wear. Have you been fondling them? Just kidding. I would grade that beauty a XF45.

DJCoinz · May 30, 2007 2:54PM

That's a beautiful coin!

No more fondling, lol!

oldcameoproofsguy · May 30, 2007 3:06PM

Very nice! I like the look of that coin a lot!

Myqqy · May 30, 2007 3:52PM

I like the clash marks on that one!

eyoung429 · May 30, 2007 11:37PM

Very Sweet Dave! Love the toning as well!

Thanks for sharing her!!!!!

seateddime · May 30, 2007 11:47PM

very nice coin!

DenverDave · May 31, 2007 12:48AM

<< <i>

<< <i>It looks like someone has been pawing at the bust on your bust ... but, gorgeous coin

>>

That's a bust reduction.

DD, beautiful coin.

>>

Not a reduction, just a fine hand polishing..."-)

Funny last year that type of ware bothered me but now I like it...

Nature's way of showing you the high points of the coin, a great learning tool if you think about it...

Thanks again everyone for posting to my little thread..."-)

DenverDave · May 31, 2007 11:49AM

<< <i>1827 O-129, R4- >>

Bingo...

SomeGuyFromMichigan · June 2, 2007 1:17PM

DenverDave

That's a very Original looking Beauty !

I love the Peac_ck (A colorful irridesent bird) toned Busties...& especially PCGS AU's.

CU Board Censors hit this one...You have a forbidden word in your message post.

But yours may be of a different interest to many LECBHD collectors.

Not too many marriages of 1827 with this much die clash.

It is an interesting note that die clash has a major part in nearly every die marriage in one form or another, as seen throughout the series.

When one looks at the alignment, reversed and flipped to the opposing die, to see what caused the corresponding marks on the Obverse or Reverse of a given coin.
The eventual collaspe and discard of the die or dies as a result of the severaty of a die clash or (s) had been or the failure of a die at the juncture of the opposite feature..
One can actually see where formations of die cracks and where excessive lapping could develope just from the corresponding location of the opposing die and in the alignment of Letters, stars and the other features invovled.
Such as why some stars strike-up while others are flat.

So Dave I have used YOUR Bust Half for this, since it is your thread and coin.

***This post is dedicated to my Buddy, Ed (edmerlr) on these boards!
A #1 Bust Half Nut if there ever is one!
Get Well Soon!!!!

Looking at die clash, you the collector need two different models, obverse and reverse.
To get a good view the apposing forces.

Going through the O/P book, marriage after marriage the die damage done by die clash is related in die use (as in Obv. 1s2) and die state (as in a or b model).
And it can also be recognized in the terminology of EDS, IDS & LDS.

So to the Obverse.
In the first picture, this is the Obverse with the correct adjusted reverse orientation.

The first close-up picture shows us many of the areas that are susceptible to die cracking.
Above and below the date, inner points of the left stars.
Also the ragged die scrapes at the front and below left of the bust, but only after an attempt to remove them by lapping.
Also note the area of the wing in the left field, this is a continued area of whorl, as in metal flow on obverses throughout the series.
This is also where the die crack formation of the "Bearded Godess" began, 1807 O-111a, although a different Master Hub style (Low Relief), resulting in the same manner.

Then the next picture shows the stage of the popular shield lines under the ear, but one may not identify the "open mouth" with this type of problem. (Excessive lapping).

Next one.
Die cracking continuing around the right stars.
The observation of extra star points, some could be proven to die clash & lapping.
(Look closely)
And just about any marks above the Cap.
As in the "COMET" variety.

Tha last obverse picture.
Shows the final continuation of any die crack of the stars.
Note the location of the highest wing area, where this weakness develops in the hair.
Then the nortorious scroll above the date, more so in the early dates.
Or why are some clasps full, while others weak?
They correspond with the Eagles brow.

Now for the Reverse.

Procedure at the Mint didn't have anything to do with Rocket Science, trial and error was the name of the game back then.
When you analyze the reverse mock-up, things start to ring true on the possiblity of how & why things happened to these dies.

The bridge of the nose in the 1827 O-129 under eagle's wing. Various star to leaf items contributing to cracks and even drawing of the leaf ends.

This is probably the most common die clash that you will find in the series.
From the top of the Eagles wing to the scroll, this is just Lady Liberty's chest.
And the reason behind the weakness in "U R I" of the Motto.

The shoulder area, the very busy Stat "ES OF" area where different things happen for 1827's reverses.
Reasons for the easy formation of die cracks at the base of America.

Die crack under the right wing, then the general weakness of many marriages at 50 C.

So what some may think of as damage or possibly outside the Mint produced, may just be the result of
common striking problems of a different time.

Thanks Dave

Mike