Notice anything?... Answer posted, and new pics.

SkyMan

First off I'd like to thank Bob Campbell for imaging this coin. I think he did a very nice job.

So what do you notice about this coin?






EDITED TO ADD: See my later comment to find out what is going on, and see further pictures.

Oney

Die break or gouge in the tail of the eagle.

AskRaq

Ummm... a ray through the tail feathers..??

Fletcher

It's a Peace Dollar

SpaceMonkey

to my untrained eye...

very sharp details in OBV hair... Weak Details in Moto on REV?

/ed

StrikeOutXXX

The rare TR V ST variety?

j/k - looks like a VAM 4 to me???

Bochiman

After all the recent threads about them, first thing I looked for was to check the date....yep, there is a "1" and a "9" and a "4" but no "6"...so it isn't a 1964
I don't know the vams, but is the line through the tail feathers (which I, at a moment's glance, thought was a ray through the feathers but then noticed it wasn't) what is making it a vam?

fastrudy

The "9" is in two pieces?

jackstand

If I were to guess and would only be a guess the beak?

StrikeOutXXX

Look close at the "WE", and the right most two tiara rays.

Here is the vamworld link: VamWorld 34-D Vam 4

Cherrypicker #: FS-S1-1934D-004 (Page 357 if you have one handy)

So how did you come about this SkyMan - cherrypick or already attributed?

Bochiman

Doubling on the "WE"?

SanctionII

I have noticed that it is not a Toned Battle Creek coin nor is it a Cameo or Deep Cameo proof from the 50's or 60's.

Are you expanding your collecting horizons?

SanctionII

I took a second look.

Die doubling on the motto, as evident in the "D" in God and in "We".

Did I guess correctly?

IGWT

I'm the furthest thing from a Peace $1 expert, but there sure looks to be doubling in the motto and (unless it's just a photo artifact) major doubling on Liberty's profile.


Edited for typo in artifact.

pinealbany

Doubling on the motto, nose area and the last 2 rays of Liberty's crown???

GAB

Looks like a P over D (or S) ??

quickwing

The mintmark looks like a P?

Oldtrader3

Coin has high point cheek and cap high point issues that look like rub.

StrikeOutXXX

I'm changing my vote to a VAM 3 (I checked out the close-up of the mint mark hiding in his photobucket account)

Same markers, different mint mark though. Tough to see in the photos in the thread.

VAM 3 VamWorld write-up

fanofcoins

it looks like a high relief

tsacch

doubled forehead too

SkyMan

Interesting. No one mentioned what I didn't see either. Cleaned around 3 o'clock on the reverse.

OK, first off K, I actually collected Peace dollars back in the late '80's early '90's. I put together a full set in (rattler) 64/65, many of which would upgrade by todays standards. I'm currently putting together a raw set in AU58 to MS63. Anyhow, I am not a VAM sort of a guy, so I wouldn't know a VAM # if my life depended on it. When looking through the dealers box, on this coin I noticed the extreme doubling of Liberty's face's profile, which is what really attracted me to the coin. The obverse looked good and I didn't really pay too much attention to the reverse, as all the "action" was on the obverse (and I didn't learn until later that one of the diagnostics was on the reverse). I noticed the lighter area on the reverse, but didn't focus on it. Ah well, yet another lesson in purchasing raw coins. When I got it out of it's 2x2 at home it was obvious. C'est la vie.

Anyhow, after I mentioned the coin on the boards, Pharmer was kind enough to inform me of the VAMworld website. I checked it out and the coin is a VAM 3 Medium D DDO. The 4 main diagnostics are: 1) on the reverse the D, 2) doubling of the rear rays of Liberty's Tiara, 3) doubling of some of IGWT, and 4) doubling of Liberty's profile. I graded the coin as a MS62 when purchasing it, and my purchase price was reasonable enough that while I'm bummed about the cleaning the really COOL doubling more than makes up for that little faux pas. Here are a few more images courtesy of Bob:

SkyMan

Just for interests sakes, I graded the coin (without the cleaning) an MS62. What do you think would be a reasonable net grade for the coin? Thanks.

RonB

Odd area for cleaning, couldn't really tell from the original pic.

Unless a coin is harshly whizzed, it is often difficult to detect light
cleaning from a picture (Peace Dollars) though many here think they can.
Die file lines often look like hairlines, chatter can look worse than it is, ect.
Any angle or lighting change during photography will hide or enhance marks on a coin.
Not to mention photoshop afterwards..

Your coin looked roughly like a 63 at first glance to me, a VAM 3 or 4, couldn't make
out the mint mark type. Same obverse die on the two VAM's, different reverse.

If I'm buying something like this, I just wanted to stress how important the
owner's description is, backed up with pictures and reputation, and lasty trust
your experience and gut feeling.

Thanks for the post, just revisted a dozen old circulated 34-D's I had, and found (2) XF VAM-3's...

-Ron