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Counterfeit 1879-CC, help please, what to look for...

jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
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Hello. Could some of you help me with hints what to look for if I suspect that an 1879-CC I have is a fake? It's a cap die VAM 3, ANACS VF20.

Thanks much, jsf

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Pictures?
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    coming in a while..., must set up..., thank you
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hello. Could some of you help me with hints what to look for if I suspect that an 1879-CC I have is a fake? It's a cap die VAM 3, ANACS VF20.

    Thanks much, jsf >>




    check the mint mark. it should have a rusted die effect. the mint mark will appear 'shoddy' this is a marker of the genuine coin. hope this helps.

    steve



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  • lavalava Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭
    What to look for? The PCGS slab. image
    I brake for ear bars.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The mintmark on the VAM 3 is supposed to look like crap. The term "cap die" or "capped die" when referring to this originated from a a typographical error. This variety has nothing to do with die caps. The original term was, in fact "crappy die," shortened to "crap die" presumably because it was easier to say. Once typed into notes, it became "cap die" because the transcriptionist's finger jammed between the R and T keys of the typewriter. It didn't get caught in proofreading, and even if it had, it would have required a lot more work than desired to get the R put back into the word. The terms "cap die" and its error-coin-based derivative "capped die" stuck. Other than the first sentence, I made all this up just now. But since it's on the Intenet, it must be true, right?
    John
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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    I seriously doubt a counterfeit 79-CC would get slabbed by ANACS, despite what the top PCGS cheerleaders might say.
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  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    I haven't tried a macro-zoom before...

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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    That coin looks 100% genuine to me.
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I seriously doubt a counterfeit 79-CC would get slabbed by ANACS, despite what the top PCGS cheerleaders might say. >>





    absolutelyimage
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That coin looks 100% genuine to me. >>





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    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    I have not been able to capture it in a photo, but at just the right angle it sure looks like excessive heat has been applied to the mint mark spot...

    I must be overly paranoid again, ...ya' think? image
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's good. Mintmark looks like it's supposed to. See my earlier post.
    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have not been able to capture it in a photo, but at just the right angle it sure looks like excessive heat has been applied to the mint mark spot...

    I must be overly paranoid again, ...ya' think? image >>





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    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    Thanks for taking a look at it...
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    it's genuine
  • lkrarecoinslkrarecoins Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭
    actually, it would've been worth a lot more if it was a fake, expecially in a TPG holder...

    Oh, well...I guess you're just stuck with an authentic one...sorry 'bout that
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