condor token

olmanjon

OK--I think I have a picture for you. This Condor has the copper core showing on the edges. Value?

farthing

Best I can make out from your pictures is that this is catalogued as Middlesex D&H 181, from the National Series. The legend on the obverse should read:
GEORGIVS III . D . G . MAG . BR . FR . ET . HIB . REX and beneath the bust DROZ. F. Droz would be the diesinker, and no, his first initial is not F.

Otherwise, if D.F is under the bust with the above legend this is D&H 180. If the legend reads GEORGIUS III . DE . GR . MA . GR . FR . ET HI . REX then this is D&H 179

181 was struck in Silver, Copper and White Medal. Dalton & Hamer lists all three as fairly common, which does not necessarily translate to large numbers struck.

If your example shows a copper core this would imply that it was silvered post minting. If so, it's hard to say what that would do to the value. As to its value, it is hard to tell the tokens condition from your photos but my guess would be for an UNC example, if it was in Copper or WM - eBay - $100-125, at a show $150+. If it was struck in silver, probably double that.

lordmarcovan

olmanjon

Thanks guy for the info. It is deffinately the 181. Someone else had told me that there were a few of this specie that were silver gilt and that you could see the copper core. Is this possibly one of those? The condition is extremely fine, not unc. Thanks again. I am so glad that I have finally figured out how to post a picture anyway.

farthing

It would not surprise me if some of the tokens in the National Series were silver gilt finished, but I have no information on this. Hopefully one of the other collectors of Conder tokens here will be able to answer your question.

Writersblock

It isn't listed in D&H but Middlesx 181 was also struck on a composition known as Barton's Metal. Barton's Metal is silver clad on gilt copper. At the time Dr Doty wrote his book on the Soho mint he considered it to be unique, but apparently it is much more common than we realized. I have traced over half a dozen specimens now and I think it is possible that many of the "silver" pieces are probably Barton's Metal and the owners just don't know it.

Musky1011

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If your condor swallows your conder and craps it out
it would be 1/2 condor + 1/2 conder

Jim

olmanjon

thanks for the info guys. Any idea for value on this if it is a Bartons gilt? A friend of mine picked it up at a garage sale.