Don't Leave! Fight for a better Registry!

ModMan

The Threads regarding PCGS collector club members leaving and joining up over at NGC is ridiculous! If you don't like some of the aspects of the PCGS Registry, stick around and HELP TO MAKE IT BETTER. It was bad enough when Merz wrote on his bailing out. I could stomach that. Now, there is a second thread and inside of that one other members quiting.

Leaving won't weaken the Registry. I think it's the wuss thing to do.

If there is something that doesn't please you about the Registry- say for example the way coins are weighted- politic and work to improve it!
Why leave at the first sign of trouble?

::weak minded people leave the Registry::
Strong willed Collectors struggle to build it up and make it better.

dpoole

Modman,

Why not leave? This is PCGS' problem, to make the Registry Sets appealing. This is their marketing effort. This is also their coin forum. If they are interested in what we all want and feel, our opinions are here repeatedly, for all to read about and consider. How do you propose going about "fighting", and for what?

If a store's got problems, and I mention the problems to staff or fill out their little card and nothing happens, isn't the proper "fight" then to simply leave, and go to a competitor?

Dog97

Everybody that's unhappy get the hell out!!

dpoole

Looks like that's what's happening.

Cocoinut

I'm not leaving. I'd rather work to come up with a solution to any problems. Heck, would you get a divorce the first time there's a serious problem, or work it out?? It's pretty much the same principle here. What are the quitters going to do, go to the NGC registry? They know that a mixed NGC/PCGS set isn't going to be viewed as the equivalent of a straight PCGS set, and what's to say that the same problems won't develop there? If they're just disgusted with the game-playing and want to get out of ALL registries, I can understand that mentality, but hey, this is OUR registry; let's make it work.

Jim

mansco

ModMan,

How do you propose an organized effort to obtain PCGS's attention be started? I can't believe that this organization would be so arrogant as to ignore its most active customers, but again the stock price has been under a $1.00 for much of the year and that should tell us something about management's business instincts.

I'd love to hear your sincere ideas about getting their ears.

fantasiize

Mansco,

As I read this thread, I was hearing (in the background) ... just what makes that little old ant, think he can move a rubber tree plant, everyone knows an ant, can't, move a rubber tree plant ...

Dog97

Coin collectors on these board are like girlfriends and construction workers; they come & go constantly, one leaves, 2 more takes their place. Other than some of you not being happy with the weighting system, what's the problem with it? Any time you ask for more catagories you get it, you asked for CC subsets in the Morgan set and got it, along with the Mint mark set. The Modern Type turned into 3 different sets although the Prf 69 DCams won't leave. There's complete old type sets, a subset with gold type, sets without the gold, even Mint State and Proof bullion sets! There have already been complaints about NGC not having your set. You are leaving because you are mad at Wondercoin-what are you gonna do when he goes over there selling NGC coins? I'm sure NGC would just love to have him working with them like he did with PCGS. You know, he's not restricted to just PCGS, he'll be where the $$$$ is. He's a specialized dealer in a very small market. He's got to chase it. Hahahaha

I got mad last year and left the forum but I decided I wasn't going to let a few a$$holes ruin my fun.

Don't let the door hit you in your a$$ on the way out!

QuickMiata

I dont understand why PCGS doesn't make it where you have to send in your set to be listed on the "ALL TIME FINES" list. This way the coins could be recorded for the set that they are in. Then so what if some fake want to list leased coins on the current finest. It would never be permit if PCGS made it the only way you could be listed on the ALL time fines was to first send in your set to be verified.

I'm sure someone can refine this more

ModMan

Guys, hold your horses here.
What makes you think NGC won't have the same (potential) for the same problems?
What have they done that is so different than PCGS policies?

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madmike

Have to agree with ModMan here... PCGS has always seemed to be very aware of requests made by Reg Set participants. They've made changes in the past after hearing rumblings from the Reg Set folk. As for the recent addition of some fairly impossible coins and varieties to some of the sets... why not lobby to have them removed again? Dog details just a few of the changes that have been made due to member requests.

Don't just give up!

madmike

madmike

Ooops, double post.

merz2

ModMan
The powers at PCGS make the arbitrary decisions about the Registry Sets without asking the participants.They ask the dealers,as has been said by some on rhis board.The little collectors don't mean anything to them.Haven't you realized that yet.

DeepCoin

For once (this is a record) I am on the side of ModMan and Dog97. The Registry Sets are what they are. They are not the be all and end all to collecting. Lobby for your perspective.

PCGS has be very accomodating with regards to these sets. You will never be able to please all of the people.

Don, the big guys will always get their way. This is just life in business. I know it seems wrong, but it is the reality of life in all business undertakings. Come on back the the PCGS Registry, your friends are all here.

sonofagunk

As far as I am concerned, PCGS has made the decission that the Registry set is for the 3 or 4 top sets and that is it. It is NOT for the "hobbiest". That is fine, that is their decission. Just because it is the little guy that is driving up the value of their coins and the value of their company, that should not have any affect on their business choices. Personally I am NOT going to NGC just for their registry. I am just adbandoned PCGS as my "first choice in coins". Now I am collecting both.

Steve

It seems to me that everyone looks at this "Registry Set" business in the short term. (since the sets have been listed on the internet) I don't think it has been a year yet. Has anyone considered what the situation will be next year? In 2004 or 2005? LETS LET THIS WHOLE THING SORT ITSELF OUT. IT IS A MARKETING TOOL!!!!

Everyone can enjoy the so called "competition" in the short term. The people who take this thing seriously and spend big bucks to get to the top of the registry short term are in my opinion "fools". You will never recover the cost you are spending on these current low pop coins. The collectors who have regular collections and strive to complete sets rather than chase grades can still see their sets listed and know the fun of trying to get to 100% completion. Nobody can ever stop the cheats of the world. So what! Take a hard look at yourself and determine what the Registry thing is all about. Believe me, for 99% of the people here on these boards you will never get 1 cent extra when selling your coins just because they are in THIS registry. As far as NGC is concerned, let's see them become as successful at marketing as PCGS is. And finally, don't be too surprised if PCGS and the rest of Coin Universe goes belly up one of these days. All this from just a regular collector who reads these boards regularly, but seldom posts. Steve

semicycler

I stand with Dog on this one. You payed how much to register your set? How much money are you spending to post right here?

I feel this same exact way when I hear Americans b1tching about how horrible America is. If it's so bad, then get the hell out!

Don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

ModMan

Scott- please check your facts before posting. NGC does NOT charge for registering a set. They had you join their $99.00 Collectors Club in the past, but a few weeks ago even dropped that requirement. Now joining is FREE and so is their Registry.