I wonder why this isn't in a PSA holder...

zef204

1972 Julius Erving SCD 10

EagleEyeKid

julen23

possibly the rare "mini" version i think, the label is not correct.



julen

storm888

The guy's response to the question is less than convincing.

I would be more worried about counterfeit than trimmed.

His TOS are far to complex for me to read.

And, there is no pic of the 2nd junk card.

However, alot of SCD cards have ended up in PSA holders.

It is possible this one is good, but unless I could steal it,
I would not be interested.

I fear this seller is just another guy ruining EBAY one sale
at a time.

zef204

I have bought many SCD cards that have crossed into PSA, albeit not at the same grade. With a card of this caliber, I would think there has to be something wrong with it to not have sent it to PSA or SGC.

wolfbear

Old SCD - 'Sports Collectors Digest' graded accurately from the cards I've seen.

New SCD that graded the Erving card - 'Sports Cards Direct' is a bit of a crap shoot. Do you feel lucky?

SoonerCowboy

I would be suspicious of the small picture along with being graded by SCD.

WinPitcher

Guy quotes things like ' SCD was' as if this SCD is the old SCD. he also quotes prices for PSA 9's while his card is in a 3rd world holder.
Guy shows 4 cards in the auction so the one that you are to bid on is 1/3 scale and people bid on this?


Not me I do not feel that lucky.


Powerscrewer.....................


Steve

bifff257

<< <i>I would think there has to be something wrong with it to not have sent it to PSA or SGC. >>

pandrews

<< <i>Old SCD - 'Sports Collectors Digest' graded accurately from the cards I've seen.

New SCD that graded the Erving card - 'Sports Cards Direct' is a bit of a crap shoot. Do you feel lucky? >>



yep.. the old legit SCD had a red oval on the flip, and the newer chitty SCD has a blue oval.. you can barely see it on his small scan, but its a blue oval..

SoFLPhillyFan

I have been watching that for my Erving set but wouldn't take the chance. Sent the seller a question about guaranteeing it's not trimmed and the new SCD. We'll see.

WinPitcher

Card measures exactly 2 1/2 by 3 1/2 inches and actually SCD was a very respectable grader, they just decided to stop grading cards. SCD was the only company before GAI that had the expertise to grade star card for example. SCD was also very well known and respected as one of the pioneer of card grading along with PSA. Of course, you would need to be a really old school collector like me to know them since they have not been in business for awhile. Thank you for the interest and good luck.


Liar is that doublespkeak or what?


steve

AtlFalconsAzDbacks

<< <i>Card measures exactly 2 1/2 by 3 1/2 inches and actually SCD was a very respectable grader, they just decided to stop grading cards. SCD was the only company before GAI that had the expertise to grade star card for example. SCD was also very well known and respected as one of the pioneer of card grading along with PSA. Of course, you would need to be a really old school collector like me to know them since they have not been in business for awhile. Thank you for the interest and good luck.


Liar is that doublespkeak or what?


steve >>



Yes but even so, why would you not switch it over to PSA or SGC. The value would be tremendously higher.....

>.>

SoonerCowboy

The other three cards are graded by PSA. Now it's possible that he didn't have them graded. I'm a Dr. J fan from way back. I pretty much quit watching basketball when he retired. I have a Rookie All-Star card of his and wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole.

AtlFalconsAzDbacks

I asked him why he had it in a holder of a weird company...
his response


"What's wrong with SCD holder? It looks better than PSA holder in my opinion. I prefer the black background of SCD and SGC but if you prefer the clear background of PSA and BGS, you could change it over yourself."

I dont think hes a power screwer but that doesnt mean the card isnt trimmed/counterfeit or wahtever.
risk-e

SoonerCowboy

I looked through his other auctions and the Erving card is the only graded card he is selling that isn't graded by PSA, BGS or SGC.

SoFLPhillyFan

I reminded him that the new SCD is not to be compared to the old SCD. Also aksed if he would guarantee that the card is not trimmed and would receive the same grade from a respected grading company like PSA. His reply -

"Card measured exactly 2 1/2 by 3 1/2 but as to guaranteeing it will receive the same grade from PSA, Are you serious? I would not even guarantee if PSA has already graded a card, I took it out and send it to them it will receive the same grade.
As a matter of fact, I once did an experiment, I sent an SGC 88 Maravich RC to PSA, it came back PSA 8, then I sent over to BGS, it came back BVG 8, then I sent it back to PSA, it came back a 9??? Guess when I stopped?"

While he may be right about the card receiving a different grade from PSA, his answer tells us that he plays the grading game. Gee I wonder how many companies saw this card before it went to SCD?

I have asked for a better scan.

bifff257

<< <i>"What's wrong with SCD holder? It looks better than PSA holder in my opinion. I prefer the black background of SCD and SGC but if you prefer the clear background of PSA and BGS, you could change it over yourself." >>






Well I thought I had heard it all............ But that comment, WOW....


All the lower tier grading companies must issue rebuttal statement when you receive your cards in the mail as part of their grading fees.



"Card measures exactly 2 1/2 by 3 1/2 inches"

"What's wrong with SCD holder? It looks better than PSA holder in my opinion"

"SCD was also very well known and respected as one of the pioneer of card grading along with PSA."

"guaranteeing it will receive the same grade from PSA, Are you serious? I would not even guarantee if PSA has already graded a card, I took it out and send it to them it will receive the same grade."

GOODLIEU

As Winpitcher and others has stated this card is in the newer SCD holder and not to be confused with the original SCD Red Label service. They graded all my basketball star cards and a bunch of early raw Topps basketball for me and believe me they were in my opinon a no nonsense professional grading service and it was a shame they decided to shut it down after a short run. With that said the Erving rookie is among a handful of key cards in collecting that currently has no PSA 10 designation so do the math on this one if you had a card such as this in say a SGC,Beckett or GAI holder wouldnt it behoove you to at least have PSA look at it as a crossover just from a financial aspect.

SoonerCowboy

BGS/BVG pop report: 9-8.5 9.0-6 9.5-1
SGC pop report: 96-1 98-0 100-0

So I wold guess that this is actually a 8.5 in BGS/BVG and a 8.0 in a PSA

WinPitcher

So I wold guess that this is actually a 8.5 in BGS/BVG and a 8.0 in a PSA


Or..........................it is rejected for evidence of trimming.


Steve

SoFLPhillyFan

Seller sent this scan -

SoonerCowboy

A good picture is worth a thousands words, huh. Definitely not the centering of a 10. It's also miscut and the corners would do good to get an 8. Miscut wouldn't even be graded by SGC. Don't know about BGS/BVG.

GOODLIEU

The seller is in my opinion a honest and professional ebayer and provided a decent enlarged scan of his product to perspective buyers. But as stated before this is not the Original SCD grading Service that most feel were Top Notch. It is often stated on these boards and quite rightly so that its hard to truly make a accurate determination on any card in a scan, but it appears to me from the one provide that there is no chance of this card getting a 10 designation from any other Grading Service other than the one it currently resides in.

WinPitcher

If it is not trimmed I feel it could get a PSA 7, the top right corner looks rounded IMO and the slight diamond cut/tilt does not help matters.

The seller while 'half' honest knows full well that he is selling a card from a 3rd tier grading service yet tries to give the implication it is from the 'old' SCD.

he also quotes values that are not truthful.


Steve

WinPitcher

Miscut? I do not see a miscut card.

I see a possible 'tilt' though but IMO not that bad.

Steve

ping4u43

The "old" SCD listed the sub grades on the back of the slab. Centering, Corners/Edges, Surface.

I just asked seller for these grades.

SoFLPhillyFan

Something weird about this listing that I noticed early but forgot to ask -

Why does the seller state you're bidding in the Erving RC and then in small text "1996-97 Topps Chrome PSA 9 (OC) Bryant Reeves Card #21."

What reason would someone have to do this?

He does it in a 81 Bird/Magic/Erving listing also that he states came from a freshly opened GAI 9 pack?

Also what is the deal with the caps and lower case letters mixed in the title?

elsnorto

<< <i>Something weird about this listing that I noticed early but forgot to ask -

Why does the seller state you're bidding in the Erving RC and then in small text "1996-97 Topps Chrome PSA 9 (OC) Bryant Reeves Card #21."

What reason would someone have to do this?

He does it in a 81 Bird/Magic/Erving listing also that he states came from a freshly opened GAI 9 pack?

Also what is the deal with the caps and lower case letters mixed in the title? >>




Lot of people do the PSA trick, including some crap card that is in a PSA slab along with the featured item that is not in a PSA slab so that technically they aren't keyword spamming by including "PSA" in their auction title to get more search hits.

The eLiTe TyPe? Probably just another desperate attempt to try to draw the eye to the listing? Hey, to their credit, at least they didn't do "L@@K!".

Snorto~

ping4u43

Just receivied from the seller:

Centering, Corner and Edges 10, Surface 9.

SoonerCowboy

<< <i>Miscut? I do not see a miscut card.

I see a possible 'tilt' though but IMO not that bad.

Steve >>



The side next to the "J" in Julius looks miscut to me. Maybe it's just the different thickness of the border that's throwing me off.