Post Some Conders!!

SilverEagles92 · May 5, 2007 12:56AM

Recently imaged, this one came from Musky in a giveaway a while ago. One of my favorite coins!

Post yours!!

rwyarmch · May 5, 2007 1:36AM

One of two tokens issues for the Johnson/Perrins boxing match of 1789. The site below
(with which I am not affiliated) gives a little background on the contest.

Boxing Memorabilia

theboz11 · May 5, 2007 3:35AM

DH 4141 NGC MS-65

DorkGirl · May 5, 2007 8:22AM

cosmicdebris · May 5, 2007 8:09PM

AuldFartte · May 5, 2007 11:28PM

rwyarmch · May 6, 2007 12:16AM

For the assembled mass of Conder aficionados, when is a halfpenny not a halfpenny?

Writersblock · May 6, 2007 12:49AM

When they use the same dies on a double thickness planchet to create a penny token from it, or a smaller planchet to create a farthing.

farthing · May 6, 2007 1:24AM

rwyarmch · May 6, 2007 9:37AM

Pretty group!

Halfpenny dies were used to produce penny pieces such as Suffolk Bungay 1 as Writersblock said
(the Hoxne pieces are another example). The Suffolk Bungay penny is a bit larger and quite a bit
thicker than the halfpenny producing a token of roughly twice the weight. Here's the edge.

clarkbar04 · May 6, 2007 9:44AM

Amazing!! Makes me want to buy some but I'm not getting started just yet!

What are the price ranges of these guys?

worldcoinguy · May 6, 2007 10:11AM

Great images in this thread! Wow.

rwyarmch · May 7, 2007 12:59AM

I'll take a stab at the pricing. Many uncirculated Conders are available for $50-$100
with nice circulated examples perhaps 1/2 that. Uncs in choice condition or with mint red
(like many in this thread) can run $100-$200. As there is no published price guide,
you might peruse several Conder dealer sites for images and prices.

Now the bad news. The BOOKS re: Conders can be pricey with Dalton & Hamer listed
for $175+. Without at least that one to rely on, it might be best to simply dabble.

Rickc300 · May 9, 2007 3:29PM

Well, I might post one if I had one! Or for that matter, if I knew the definition of a condor... I see many coins posted here all the time with the heading of CONDOR. Can someone clue me on the dates and parameters for them? I see coins of all dates posted and while they are not in my collecting I area would like to know what it takes to be considered a condor coin. Or maybe I am thinking Maundy sets? I get confused easily on stuff out of my main collecting stream... What makes them so special

Thanks,
Rick

farthing · May 9, 2007 10:31PM

Conder tokens refer to tokens minted in a specific time frame in Great Britain (England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales). The series begins with the Parys Mine Company tokens of 1787. The majority were minted prior to 1800 but a few included in the Dalton and Hamer book "The Provincial Token-Coinage of the 18th Century" were minted later. The Dalton and Hamer book is the standard reference guide for Conder tokens, which are catalogued by their DH number.

Conder tokens were originally issued because of a general lack of small value coinage. More information can be found
Here
In the mid 1790's collecting these tokens became somewhat of a fad and individuals had their own tokens minted in limited numbers for trading with their fellow collectors. Other tokens were minted as political statements, both for and against the crown as well as tokens created as business advertisements.

TwoKopeiki · May 9, 2007 11:02PM

I always thought that the name "Conder Token" was based on the name of whoever wrote the first definitive reference on these (someone with last name Conder?).

Is this the case?

AuldFartte · May 10, 2007 6:28AM

<< <i>I always thought that the name "Conder Token" was based on the name of whoever wrote the first definitive reference on these (someone with last name Conder?).

Is this the case? >>

Yes, it is. James Conder, owner of a drapery business in Ipswich, was apparently the first to write a book cataloging these types of tokens.

rwyarmch · May 10, 2007 9:43AM

James Conder also issued his own tokens including this one.

Stork · May 10, 2007 10:04AM

If I posted a picture it would mean confessing I've actually bought a few--I mean one. That and my hands seem to be allergic to my camera these days.

.

Cathy

(Okay I admit to owning one with a Stork on it, and one with a couple griffons, and something with those seahorse/dragon thingies and....never mind). If anyone finds the midwife one in good shape let me know

.

edited to add: Awesome pictures everyone, great to look at!!!

Aethelred · May 10, 2007 9:37PM

I don't know why, but I love these text only tokens:

Writersblock · May 11, 2007 12:58AM

James Conder didn't write the first book, but his, written in 1795, was probably the most difinitive at the time and it did become the standard reference for the series until the Atkins book was published in 1890.

And the tokens are only known as Conder tokens here in the US. In Great Britain, where they originated, they are called 18th century provincial tokens.

As mentioned D&H does list a very few tokens dated 1800 and later, but most of the Conder tokens ended in 1797 when Matthew Bolton was given to authority to make the cartwheel pennys and two pence coins for the crown, and legislation was passed outlawing the issuance of private tokens. Boulton's Soho mint was so productive producing the regal coins that the chronic coin shortage was aleviated and the token coinage was no longer needed.

The prices of Conders have gone up a lot since I started collecting them. When I got into them seriously in 1997 Uncs could be purchased for $20 each Red Uncs were $30. So we have seen a 3X to 5X increase in the past 10 years. I wish I had gotten into these back when I started collecting in 1972. Back then Uncs were $2 and red Uncs were $3.

Post Some Conders!!

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