Just curious, anyone else end their Lincoln cent collection at 1981?

kwmorgan

The Zincolns turned me off so much my collection ends at 1981. Recently I started a Canadian 1 cent collection and have ended that one at 1996, the last year of a bronze cent in Canada. Copper plating just doesn't cut it with me.

ss350camaro

Why?

Just because they changed the alloys ?

CheeseGuy

Nope, goes all the way to 2007

Does your quarter, dime, and half collection end at 1964?

flaminio

It's a reasonable thing to do, but at least get the 1982 coppers to "cap" the collection.

<< <i>Just because they changed the alloys ? >>

Why not? A lot of collectors of dimes, quarters, and halves stop at 1964, because they changed the "alloy".

kwmorgan

Seeing a pile of corroded ones really turns me off. I have noticed that a lot of them get spots quite easily. Any exposure of the zinc core and they're history.

ss350camaro

<< <i>Seeing a pile of corroded ones really turns me off. I have noticed that a lot of them get spots quite easily. Any exposure of the zinc core and they're history. >>



ok, so don't collect those.

You must not be a set collector i would guess ? I am, and i don't stop a set short because of something as silly (to me) as alloy changes.

To each his own i guess.

originalisbest

Not really, I find it interesting - a challenge to find the zincies in un-corroded shape.

kwmorgan

No problem, looks like I am just a "real bronze cent collector". Yup, I agree on the "to each their own". I hope the Mint does that rumored 2009-S VDB in the old alloy.

Baley

I don't collect one cent coins by date, but I end my collections of silver series in 1837; modern coins struck by non-human powered machines really turn me off.

ss350camaro

<< <i>Not really, I find it interesting - a challenge to find the zincies in un-corroded shape. >>



EXACTLY !

Seems there would be that extra bit of pride knowing you have something 'out of the ordinary' and unique in your collection.

Stopping just because of metals changes seems a little silly to me.

Colquhoun

<< <i> I hope the Mint does that rumored 2009-S VDB in the old alloy. >>



Sec. 301. Findings.
Congress finds the following:

(1) Abraham Lincoln, the 16th President, was one of the Nation's greatest leaders, demonstrating true courage during the Civil War, one of the greatest crises in the Nation's history.

(2) Born of humble roots in Hardin County (present-day LaRue County), Kentucky, on February 12, 1809, Abraham Lincoln rose to the Presidency through a combination of honesty, integrity, intelligence, and commitment to the United States.

(3) With the belief that all men are created equal, Abraham Lincoln led the effort to free all slaves in the United States.

(4) Abraham Lincoln had a generous heart, with malice toward none, and with charity for all.

(5) Abraham Lincoln gave the ultimate sacrifice for the country he loved, dying from an assassin's bullet on April 15, 1865.

(6) All Americans could benefit from studying the life of Abraham Lincoln, for Lincoln's life is a model for accomplishing the 'American dream' through honesty, integrity, loyalty, and a lifetime of education.

(7) The year 2009 will be the bicentennial anniversary of the birth of Abraham Lincoln.

(8) Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, grew to adulthood in Indiana, achieved fame in Illinois, and led the nation in Washington, D.C.

(9) The so-called 'Lincoln cent' was introduced in 1909 on the 100th anniversary of Lincoln's birth, making the obverse design the most enduring on the nation's coinage.

(10) President Theodore Roosevelt was so impressed by the talent of Victor David Brenner that the sculptor was chosen to design the likeness of President Lincoln for the coin, adapting a design from a plaque Brenner had prepared earlier.

(11) In the nearly 100 years of production of the 'Lincoln cent', there have been only 2 designs on the reverse: the original, featuring 2 wheat-heads in memorial style enclosing mottoes, and the current representation of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.

(12) On the occasion of the bicentennial of President Lincoln's birth and the 100th anniversary of the production of the Lincoln cent, it is entirely fitting to issue a series of 1-cent coins with designs on the reverse that are emblematic of the 4 major periods of President Lincoln's life.


Sec. 302. Redesign Of Lincoln Cent For 2009.
(a) In General- During the year 2009, the Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in accordance with the following design specifications:

(1) OBVERSE- The obverse of the 1-cent coin shall continue to bear the Victor David Brenner likeness of President Abraham Lincoln.
(2) REVERSE- The reverse of the coins shall bear 4 different designs each representing a different aspect of the life of Abraham Lincoln, such as--
(A) his birth and early childhood in Kentucky;
(B) his formative years in Indiana;
(C) his professional life in Illinois; and
(D) his presidency, in Washington, D.C.
(b) Issuance of Redesigned Lincoln Cents in 2009-

(1) ORDER- The 1-cent coins to which this section applies shall be issued with 1 of the 4 designs referred to in subsection (a)(2) beginning at the start of each calendar quarter of 2009.
(2) NUMBER- The Secretary shall prescribe, on the basis of such factors as the Secretary determines to be appropriate, the number of 1-cent coins that shall be issued with each of the designs selected for each calendar quarter of 2009.
(c) Design Selection- The designs for the coins specified in this section shall be chosen by the Secretary--

(1) after consultation with the Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Commission and the Commission of Fine Arts; and
(2) after review by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.

Sec. 303. Redesign Of Reverse Of 1-Cent Coins After 2009.
The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December 31, 2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's preservation of the United States of America as a single and united country.


Sec. 304. Numismatic Pennies With The Same Metallic Content As The 1909 Penny.
The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes.


Sec. 305. Sense Of The Congress.
It is the sense of the Congress that the original Victor David Brenner design for the 1-cent coin was a dramatic departure from previous American coinage that should be reproduced, using the original form and relief of the likeness of Abraham Lincoln, on the 1-cent coins issued in 2009.


So same alloy, but no way under the Presidental Dollar Act, as I read it, is it possible to mint a 2009 S VDB Wheat Penny.

tahoe98

<< <i>No problem, looks like I am just a "real bronze cent collector". Yup, I agree on the "to each their own". I hope the Mint does that rumored 2009-S VDB in the old alloy. >>





i didn't hear that rumor...................

kwmorgan

Bummer. I had heard a rumor of one. But wait...what's this clause in the law?

"Sec. 304. Numismatic Pennies With The Same Metallic Content As The 1909 Penny.
The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes.
Sec. 305. Sense Of The Congress.
It is the sense of the Congress that the original Victor David Brenner design for the 1-cent coin was a dramatic departure from previous American coinage that should be reproduced, using the original form and relief of the likeness of Abraham Lincoln, on the 1-cent coins issued in 2009."

Could this be a 2009-S VDB in the old alloy? There at least will be a real bronze cent in 2009. "Shall issue" means the mint will be required by law to to provide collectors a real bronze version of a 2009 cent. Thanks for posting the law, Colquohoun!


Throwing this topic up reminded me that I CAN continue a real copper collection post-1996 for Canada 1 cent. Their sterling silver proof set has a real copper cent. I can just buy proof singles for post-1996.

Aegis3

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<< <i>Seeing a pile of corroded ones really turns me off. I have noticed that a lot of them get spots quite easily. Any exposure of the zinc core and they're history. >>



ok, so don't collect those.

You must not be a set collector i would guess ? I am, and i don't stop a set short because of something as silly (to me) as alloy changes.

To each his own i guess. >>



It seems to me that "bronze Lincolns" is as much a coherent and well-defined set as "all Lincolns" or "all Lincoln/memorials" are.

Colquhoun

Sec. 304. Numismatic Pennies With The Same Metallic Content As The 1909 Penny.
The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes.

They are to release the 4 2009 Pennies in bronze. The designs for the 2009 Penny are clearly laid out..

1) OBVERSE- The obverse of the 1-cent coin shall continue to bear the Victor David Brenner likeness of President Abraham Lincoln.
(2) REVERSE- The reverse of the coins shall bear 4 different designs each representing a different aspect of the life of Abraham Lincoln, such as--
(A) his birth and early childhood in Kentucky;
(B) his formative years in Indiana;
(C) his professional life in Illinois; and
(D) his presidency, in Washington, D.C.

So sorry, I don't see much wiggle room for the mint there.. but at least we get a bronze penny out of the mix.


What I find most interesting is...

Sec. 305. Sense Of The Congress.
It is the sense of the Congress that the original Victor David Brenner design for the 1-cent coin was a dramatic departure from previous American coinage that should be reproduced, using the original form and relief of the likeness of Abraham Lincoln, on the 1-cent coins issued in 2009

Can the mint even do that? Are they able to strike that much relief with today's token presses? Oh, for that matter.. guess they are going to have to call someone up to show them how to make hubs with that much relief, becuase a single squeze isn't going to do it.

kwmorgan

The San Francisco mint still uses some of the old style presses, I do believe. I have a feeling San Francisco may get the job to make them.

Colquhoun

I read coins in sec 305 as meaning all 2009 pennies including business strikes.. should be an interesting year.

kwmorgan

If they do I will be taking everyone I get outta circulation.

Colquhoun

I am not as old as some on these forums.. but I remember as a kid being excited about the bicentenial coins, and the SBA, I remember driving to town to buy my ASE when I was in high school.. I remember talking about the state quarters with collecting freinds over many a game of spades when the idea surfaced, but I can say without a shadow of a doubt..

Nothing in my lifetime from the mint has excited me more then..

2009 Lincoln Pennies

kwmorgan

Read this section. I do believe this is the end of the Lincoln Memorial reverse.

"Sec. 303. Redesign Of Reverse Of 1-Cent Coins After 2009.
The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December 31, 2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's preservation of the United States of America as a single and united country."

Interesting.

Colquhoun

I agree, and most likely this is the end of the memorial reverse. However one could argue that the memorial reverse meets that requirement since it is dripping with symbolism.. Each of the 36 columns bears the name of one of the 36 states of the union at the time.. all united under one roof.. no longer a house divided.

Colquhoun

Birth and early childhood in Kentucky - Zinc bussiness strike P,D/Satin Zinc P,D/Proof Zinc/Proof Bronze.. 6 coins at least.
Formative years in Indiana - Zinc bussiness strike P,D/Satin Zinc P,D/Proof Zinc/Proof Bronze.. 6 coins at least.
Professional life in Illinois - Zinc bussiness strike P,D/Satin Zinc P,D/Proof Zinc/Proof Bronze.. 6 coins at least.
Presidency, in Washington, D.C. - Zinc bussiness strike P,D/Satin Zinc P,D/Proof Zinc/Proof Bronze.. 6 coins at least.

Thats at least 24 coins.. I am thinking plastics is the future.. their are going to be alot of coins slabbed out of this

kwmorgan

Let's all cross our fingers and hope the Mint messes up and mixes real bronze planchets in with the zinkies during business strike production. They did it with the 1974-D and 1977-D silver clad Ike dollars...so don't fail us now, US Mint.

Colquhoun

Oh now that would be nice.. and if we are wishing.. fire up the presses and give us 2009-S business strikes. You know we are going to have a coin shortage.. might as well make them at 3 mints.