1798 Bust dollar on ebay-Real or Fake?

rec78

Is this coin genuine? 1798 Bust Dollar?

rays

Does not appear genuine to me.

Barndog

I normally offer a money-back guarantee but the consignor has requested that the sale be final, with no returns. Call me (Steve) at (218) 586-3200 if you would like to ask questions about the coin. I have been selling on Ebay for 7-8 years now. Check my feedback and bid with confidence!

uh, ok Steve. I will bid with confidence because you do not offer a return. Steve told us what he thinks of the authenticity with these statements.

relicsncoins

Looks cast to me.

JJ

Julian

Without physically examining the coin, I would say that it is indeed genuine.

Do you have a weight for the coin? After looking at the description again, the coin is listed at 27g, so that sounds fine, as well.

I still think that it is genuine.

BTW, if the coin were not genuine, the seller would still have to take it back, as it is illegal to sell a counterfeit coin unless it is being sold as a counterfeit.

PerryHall

<< <i>Looks cast to me. >>



Either that or enviornmental damage. The surfaces just don't look right to me.

123cents

It's pretty beat up but I think it is real.

notwilight

Looks a little funky and the first thought is fake but weight is right. Seller seems knowledgable and experienced but not very comfortable with this coin. But I would guess he knows better than to sell a fake. --Jerry

rec78

Thanks for the opinions. The vote is 2-1 fake. i was leaning toward fake 60-40 but with Julian's opinion, of which i respect, my leaning is now 50-50. I would not buy it as it would not go with my collection. If a forum member happens to purchase it- Please let us know if it is real or not. Interesting coin. Thanks, Bob

lordmarcovan

I think it is one of those real coins that looks like a fake.

It is certainly fake looking, and appears cast, but I think it is a real coin that was struck on a poor-quality flan and then knocked around a bit. But what do I know.

Besides, the seller smells legit to me.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Either that or enviornmental damage. The surfaces just don't look right to me. >>

Environmental damage is the culprit, I believe. As a detectorist, I can tell you that silver often acquires that look after a century or more in the ground. I dug an 1877-S dime that was porous like that. (Well, worse, actually.)

The more I look at that, the more I think it is a dug coin.

StrikeOutXXX

<< <i>I think it is one of those real coins that looks like a fake.

It is certainly fake looking, and appears cast, but I think it is a real coin that was struck on a poor-quality flan and then knocked around a bit. But what do I know.

Besides, the seller smells legit to me. >>



I concur. Google the seller, he's a retired teacher, has quite a web presence out there, and has no red flags as a seller goes. Although I smell nothing fishy about him, it is a consignment piece, so you never know about that person.

It does have that metal detecting look to it, and not quite the mushy details you see in many cast pieces. If the weight is right as he states, I'm sticking with a beat-up or dug real coin. At one point, I was the only one who voted real with about 8 fake votes in the poll, I was starting to worry I still wouldn't buy it just from pictures, but I wouldn't immediately dismiss it. JMO

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>Looks cast to me.

JJ >>





I thought it looked like a cast copy, too. Then I viewed the larger pics and I'm riding the fence on this one. I do not know for sure, but the color being darker in the periphery is what gives it an authentic look to me.

lordmarcovan

A fake would be better looking. Somebody going through the trouble to fake that wouldn't have scuffed it up quite so much. Unless he was very clever, and even then I can't see him doing it quite that much, if you know what I mean.

PerryHall

<< <i> The more I look at that, the more I think it is a dug coin. >>

numobri

I voted REAL. Looks like a nice BU(beat up) coin to me.


Brian

lordmarcovan

Y'know the old saying, "If it looks too good to be true, it probably is?"

This coin doesn't. In fact, it looks too bad to be fake.

Unless, like I said, the faker was clever, and foresaw this very discussion, and added appropriate dings and scuffs to make it look more believable. That's not out of the question, but judging from the antics of most eBay frauds, this doesn't fit the M.O. A faker's greed will often trip him up, and what kind of greedy faker is gonna deliberately make a coin look worse?

RareBronzeCollector

He could submit it to ANACS and if genuine get an even better price for the coin, and also make it easier to sell......

lordmarcovan

Yeah. He should've done that. Even a bodybag insert from PCGS stating "environmental damage" or something like that might work, since it didn't say "Not Genuine".

What're you doin' on the Liteside, RBC?

RareBronzeCollector

<< <i>Yeah. He should've done that. Even a bodybag insert from PCGS stating "environmental damage" or something like that might work, since it didn't say "Not Genuine".

What're you doin' on the Liteside, RBC? >>



LOL! Just covering my US collection too....

BRdude

fake, fake fake fake..JMHO Nothing looks right about that coin to me, the eye, the rims, the eagle. It just doesn't look right. Of course, it's a picture....

DoctorPaper

Boy, that's a tough one. I voted fake, primarily because the denticles just don't look right to me at all. A lot of them are incomplete, not running all the way to the rim, and some seem to be slanted at an angle, esp. on the reverse. This would be a coin you'd like to do a "ring" test on: i.e. listen to the tone it makes when it spins on a hard surface.