Defining AT: Denial

airedale · April 28, 2007 9:33PM

coinkid855 · April 28, 2007 10:26PM

I don't know....I think that first one looks pretty natural to me =p

BAJJERFAN · April 28, 2007 10:43PM

HEH HEH!!

ebaytrader · April 28, 2007 11:07PM

Denial is a river in Egypt.

lordmarcovan · April 29, 2007 12:22AM

I'm sure glad that was a strictly digital job!

TwoSides2aCoin · April 29, 2007 12:26AM

Since people actually purchase these things, they are market acceptable and there is no denial in that.

foxxze · April 29, 2007 12:53AM

........I believe PCGS even slabs a painted version of the Chinese Panda's !!

Zoins · April 29, 2007 2:41AM

dizzyfoxx · April 29, 2007 2:46AM

One question I have based on the toning of that 1998 coin, is does this mean that some of the monster-toned commems out there could have been 'white' up until the year 2000???

One way or the other, there are some gorgeous examples out there and I'm actually looking for one right now.

Zoins · April 29, 2007 3:10AM

RotatedRainbows · April 29, 2007 3:30AM

The first one is absolutely NOT artificial toning.

MFH · April 29, 2007 3:51AM

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Are you saying that these images are the same coin ??

Zoins · April 29, 2007 4:01AM

<< Are you saying that these images are the same coin ??

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That is the general consensus. That is a very famous coin now.

Discussed here
Discussed ATS

tjkillian · April 29, 2007 4:40AM

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Are you saying that these images are the same coin ??

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Yes, from the discussion, they are absolutely the same coin.

MFH · April 29, 2007 4:40AM

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<< Are you saying that these images are the same coin ??

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That is the general consensus. That is a very famous coin now.

Discussed here
Discussed ATS >>

Edited to say that Thank You for the link to the discussion accross the street...
a more than interesting read.

So...who's the Leonardo who painted this coin ?

I'm still shaking my head over this - I don't know how I could have missed this discussion before.
What - if any - recourse does the buyer at $46K have on this deception ?

Zoins · April 29, 2007 5:20AM

<< What - if any - recourse does the buyer at $46K have on this deception ? >>

Probably none.

MFH · April 29, 2007 5:39AM

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<< What - if any - recourse does the buyer at $46K have on this deception ? >>

Probably none. >>

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Someone will bear the brunt of this financial loss and I don't think it'll be the buyer at $46K.

This could get ugly.

Zoins · April 29, 2007 5:45AM

PCGS may view net grading this Gobrecht as a "service to the numismatic community" according to their policies printed in their Rare Coin Market Report, page 29, emphasis mine:

<< Ungradeable Coins
PCGS does not grade coins that are counterfeit, have been artifically toned, have had their surfaces altered, have been environmentally damaged, have been abrasively cleaned, have extremely lage scratches, or have been repaired. Some allowances are made for ultra rarities, colonials, and territorial gold coins, in which there are some instances when "net grading" is used by PCGS as a service to the numismatic community. >>

MFH · April 29, 2007 5:52AM

This is what I was aluding to.

Re: PCGS : Would their guarantee protect the buyer ?

Zoins · April 29, 2007 5:54AM

I would like to see PCGS respond to this coin and I hope the buyer at $46k can be made whole. I'll leave it at that.

roadrunner · April 29, 2007 6:05AM

Don't quite understand the community service provided in turning a $19K BB'd coin into a $46K net grade PF63.

roadrunner

garsmith · May 19, 2007 2:00AM

Looks NT to me

Defining AT: Denial

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