ANACS "Small Holder"...So What?

OneCent

What significance does 'small holder" have with ANACS slabs? Is it an older holder used when grading standards were more stringent?

Thanks

Russ

Yes.

Russ, NCNE

SilverEagles92

There's the new, thinner, clearer, larger holder, and then there's the small one.

For me, it's just a size preference. I like the small holders.

roadrunner

The circa 1990 ANACS holders have a gold seal hologram on the reverse. These do grade favorably to PCGS and NGC from that same era.....and often more conservative than PCGS/NGC today.
I rarely see one that is not strong or PQ for grade.

roadrunner

NumisOxide

They still use the small holders but only for problem coins. I hate the new holders.

SilverEagles92

<< <i>The circa 1990 ANACS holders have a gold seal hologram on the reverse. These do grade favorably to PCGS and NGC from that same era.....and often more conservative than PCGS/NGC today.
I rarely see one that is not strong or PQ for grade.

roadrunner >>



You talking about the Triangular A on the reverse is gold? Or what?

I've got 3 small ANACS slabs sitting here next to me. Any other way to tell 1990 ANACS slabs?

fc

For me, it's just a size preference. I like the small holders.

i am partial to that holder also. it looks nice and is compact.
but pcgs comes in a very very close tie.

mirabela

"Small holder" does not just mean any of the old white ones. The early white ones were even smaller than the "regular" later white ones. The ones with the six-figure serial number, or a number that began with a letter, are the ones from back then. And yes, they often have coins in them that are awfully strong for the stated grade although like everything else they get picked over with time.

roadrunner

I've got 3 small ANACS slabs sitting here next to me. Any other way to tell 1990 ANACS slabs?

The later ones have a black background on the upper reverse of the slab. The very early ones have a solid gold logo/hologram on the back very similar to what NGC used in the early 1990's except NGC's have silver background.

If you see all gold......that's good. I'm not aware of any other differences following those gold labels other than slab size.

roadrunner

coinbuf

<< <i>I've got 3 small ANACS slabs sitting here next to me. Any other way to tell 1990 ANACS slabs?

The later ones have a black background on the upper reverse of the slab. The very early ones have a solid gold logo/hologram on the back very similar to what NGC used in the early 1990's except NGC's have silver background.

If you see all gold......that's good. I'm not aware of any other differences following those gold labels other than slab size.

roadrunner >>



Like roadrunner said this is what your looking for.

Myqqy

"Small holder" does not just mean any of the old white ones. The early white ones were even smaller than the "regular" later white ones. The ones with the six-figure serial number, or a number that began with a letter, are the ones from back then. And yes, they often have coins in them that are awfully strong for the stated grade although like everything else they get picked over with time.

I've got several of these, and agree that the grading is on target or strict...

Myqqy

Also, I have a bunch of jefferson and franklin proofs in the smaller anacs holders, and think they did a good job with the grading of those!

Coxe

I believe ANACS grading was far better than many people give them credit for much longer than that. Yes, the early ones with the serial numbers starting with letters often have what is today undergraded or conservatively graded coins in them. Their graders were also among the most consistent in the industry. Still there was and is some variability, just like there is and was with PCGS and NGC. Many were regraded or crossed over the years. A lot weren't too, especially ones that stuck around in some of our collections and didn't pass through dealers' hands. In any event, it is the same as the old green holders or NGC fatties. Mentioning them as a plus means nothing to me and shouldn't mean anything to anyone else unless you demand that format for some compulsive reason. It does not speak of the coin itself. If it is PQ, a seller should say so and say why they think so. Because it is in some older holder is not a reason.

SeaEagleCoins

In my discussions with James Taylor, before the new 'blue' holder came out...the primary reason for the new holder was that the 'market image' of ANACS had them at a disadvantage to NGC & PCGS. They were (and are) seeking a new image of market credibilty that they hope will put them on par with the "big two".

IMO...there are two major hurdles for this company... they have no "dealer network" to promote (and/or hype their product) and they offer no Registry program.

In the early holders there were/are many PQ coins... but just like the other TPGs...they got sloppy in the last year or two before the switch to the new holder... this was the period of serious gradeflation and inconsistancy with all the "top" TPGs.

In my discussions with many folks in the coin business... ANACS is actually on par with the other "top dogs" in terms of grading... but most dealers and collectors have gone with NGC & PCGS and the Registry programs... in turn, most of the coins with the best eye appeal and a shot at a high grade are going to these two companies... this is all, IMO, based on market perception and not on reality.

I have seen coins in all holders that are questionable for the grade...I'm sure we all have. I've seen folks pay premium money for PCGS holders based on the holder, not the coin. On the other hand, I've seen folks want to discount a beautiful solid coin simply because it is in an ANACS holder...IMO, these folks are not coin collectors...they are investors and/or slab collectors.

The fact that it is difficult to cross a coin into a PCGS holder, again IMO, is not so much that they don't pass muster ( there are coins already in PCGS holders that don't pass muster) ... it is that in order to further bolster the image of PCGS as the Top TPG... they can't allow word to spread that they will readily cross coins in other holders... that would level the playing field... not good for business.

In regards to the holders themselves... I did/do like the compact ANACS holder... yet my preference for overall eye appeal and display of the coin is PCGS. Still, for me, it is not the holder that 'sells' the coin... it is the coin...

Coxe

The ANACS image problems have been seriously compounded by the flight to crossovers of a geeat fraction of their conservatively and undergraded slabs. New folks in the hobby are only seeing the residual dreck.

If ANACS can retain their remaining talent and recruit more good folks, they have all the potential in the world. The registry program is one thing they can easily aprticipate and in a better way than the other two IMO. If I was them, I would also consider offering a expert analysis program. I thought of that when I got a number of NGC PhotoProofs. Their short blurb on a coin is seriously lacking and the product is largely useless boilerplate on the series. Compare than to a professional diamond jewelry appraisal report. That is what some people could really use, a complete and exhaustive analysis of their important pieces done by very knowledgeable numismatists. It would also help to establish provenance, something useful to many collectors for such a class of coins, and make recovery identification for stolen coins much easier. These were more common in bygone days in the form of letters from experts in the field. I have seen them for things like suspected branch mint proof Morgans. PCGS could offer such a service too. The first in will do quite well I suspect. The photo services are just not enough for some coins.

flaminio

<< <i>What significance does 'small holder" have with ANACS slabs? >>

I liked the small holders...

CoinOnTheCob

I don't think I like the new ones. I haven't submitted any coins since they changed.

BECOKA

<< <i>I don't think I like the new ones. I haven't submitted any coins since they changed. >>



DITTO, although if I come across anything that needs authentication and won't go into a PCGS slab I will probably use them.

seemyauction

It does not matter what holder the coin is in, its comming out anyway........lol


AL

topstuf

The new holder was/is a HUGE mistake.

Barry

The new holder wouldn't have been a mistake if Taylor didn't apply ICG 70-fever to their grading.

ziggy29

<< <i>The new holder wouldn't have been a mistake if Taylor didn't apply ICG 70-fever to their grading. >>

Uh-oh. This topic makes Kim sad.

flaminio

<< <i>Uh-oh. This topic makes Kim sad. >>

koynekwest

"The new holder was/is a HUGE mistake."

The New ANACS is a huge mistake.