ARod hits his first HR of the season in a non-pressure situation
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Sorry, I just HAD to get this started! 1-4 with no RBI comes up with the Yanks leading in the 8th and hits a 2 run shot!
Believe me when I say I am really rooting for ARod to kick a$$ this year. I just thought it was ironic after the whole ARod debacle last year that he does the same thing in his first game of 2007. PLEASE ARod end this and get some big hits when the team is down!
Oh, what a season this is gonna be!!!
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And yes, I feel this way about all ball players who have dont drugs in the past, including Bonds.
Where I separate Bonds is breaking the most important record in baseball. Even if clean now, he doesnt deserve to be known as the HR King.
I don't think getting worked up about one game is the way to go, but that's just me.
Axhole, is that you????
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Having said that, he's on my fantasy team, so it doesn't make any difference to me
<< <i>Come on fellas .... it was a big home run that put the game away late ...... be kind man. ITS OPENING %#@!%@! day for goodness sake! How about Curt Schilling falling on his fat old face for the third straight time to the Royals
this Sox fan is typical, I think the "fork thread" is coming soon
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this Sox fan is typical, I think the "fork thread" is coming soon
I think Dan will wait a bit more into the season...don't be giving up yet, Barndog! Even though I do think you should start praying for football season to start up again
He's on the downside of a great career, unfortunately for Sox fans.
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That no good??
That's why Arod is PERCEIVED as not being clutch. Because no one here cares to mention or seem to remember the times that he is. (Let me add I realize his playoff performance last year was hardly clutch, but referring to last years debacle on here about whether any home run hit all year made a difference in any game)
The fact that he homered the next inning to put the game away really shouldn't count against him.
161 more to go.
Reds are in first place baby!!
If he was with any other team he'd be playing shortstop, but then what would George do with the overpaid Jeter, DH him?
I just don't get the vile disdain for Arod.
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<< <i>Here is your big chance, Arod apologists. Watch more than 5 Yankee games this year, then tell me how clutch he is. These threads always make me laugh because it boils down to the same thing. Those of us that watch every game know. Those non-Yankee fans who watch 3 games a year and the playoffs and get the rest of their info from Sportscenter really have no clue about the guy... >>
The above is an example of what I am talking about. Apparently Jeter is clutch and Arod is a choker because you say so. Give me meaningful facts
Using Baseball Musings’ excellent day-by-day database.
I would classify ‘clutch’ hitting as what the player does when his team is down by 3 runs to up by 1. So, from 2004-06, (Arod’s Yankee tenure) he has an overall OPS of .945.
trailing by 3 = .764 OPS
-2 = .774
-1 = 1.090
Tied = .941
Leading by 1 = .926
Trailing .905 (-40)
Tied (-4)
Leading .980 (+35)
Not quite as bad as I would have thought. The discrepancy between leading and trailing hitting could exist because opposing teams generally use their best pitchers when they’re ahead or tied. But to really understand, we have to compare him to his peers.
First, The Captain.
2004-06 OPS .854
-3 = .822
-2 = 1.064
-1 = .870
Tied = .883
+1 = .811
Trailing .896 (+42)
Tied (+29)
Leading .793 (-61)
Other than trailing by 2 or 3 runs, Arod has performed better. Even though Arod hits better when ahead, and Jeter hits better when behind, his trailing stats are still better than Jeter’s. The difference in perception comes from the fact that Jeter hits better (than normal) when trailing and tied, as opposed to Arod who hits worse (than normal) when trailing and tied.
Now let’s look at Adrian Beltre, who is right in the middle of the OPS rankings for the 131 hitters who had at least 300 plate appearances in 2006. He’s also a third-baseman so he will make a good comparison.
2004-06 OPS .841
-3 = .815
-2 = .837
-1 = .878
Tied = .889
+1 = .906
Trailing .850 (+9)
Tied (+48)
Leading .788 (-53)
Beltre is a very nice clutch hitter. He hits better when trailing, and much better in tie games.
And finally David Ortiz, who is supposedly the best clutch hitter in baseball.
2004-06 OPS 1.011
-3 = .945
-2 = 1.158
-1 = 1.057
Tied = 1.084
+1 = 1.012
Trailing 1.023 (+12)
Tied (+73)
Leading .940 (-71)
In conclusion, Arod is the only player among these four who hits worse when trailing and better when leading (over the last three years). Assuming trailing hitting is more important, I certainly wouldn’t call Arod ‘unclutch,’ because he does hit about his normal in tie games, but he is clearly not as ‘clutch’ as Jeter, Beltre or Ortiz. Is there a discernible reason for this? Did Arod hit this way before joining the Yanks? That could let us know if it’s consistent with his career, or whether it’s a New York thing.
Arod 1994-03 OPS 1.014
-3 = 1.105
-2 = .828
-1 = 1.050
Tied = 1.113
+1 = 1.029
Leading .984 (-30)
Tied (+99)
Trailing .967 (-47)
Rather interesting. The biggest difference is Arod's tied OPS. Before New York, it was 99 points higher than his overall OPS. Since joining New York, it is 4 points lower than his overall OPS. Meanwhile, his 'trailing' OPS has been lower than his overall OPS throughout his career. But the only area where he improved since joing New York is his 'leading' OPS. This is why some critics say Arod does all his production when the Yanks are already ahead.
Arod has never been a better hitter when trailing, but was a better hitter with the score tied (while his leading hitting is actually better in New York). Perhaps this explains people’s view that Arod does most of his damage early in the game (when the score is most often tied), as opposed to the ‘clutch’ innings of 7-9 (when a tie is less likely). Some people say that an RBI in the 1st inning is just as important as an RBI in the 9th inning. It’s true that a run is a run, but ‘clutch’ hits in late innings are more likely to ensure a win only because there are fewer innings to play: when a team takes a lead in inning 1, it probably has about a 60-70% chance of winning - when it takes a lead in innings 7-9, that probability must go up to 80-100%. I don’t have the exact data, but it’s easy to understand this idea. Late, close RBIs are more important than early RBIs.
Fan Graphs has equations for ‘clutchiness,’ and it’s pretty clear where Arod (and Jeter) stand. In 2006, Jeter was the 4th best clutch hitter, while Arod was the 158th best (or 5th worst, among the 162 qualified hitters). However, in 2005 (Arod’s MVP year), he was 54th in ‘clutchiness’ (barely in the positive), while Jeter was 78th (actually a negative clutch hitter). And in 2004, Jeter was 19th and Arod was 23rd. Over the last 3 years, Jeter is clearly the better clutch hitter. Arod has not necessarily been ‘unclutch,’ but throw in that he’s always compared to Derek ‘Superman’ Jeter (as I am guilty of doing), and that Arod is the highest paid player in baseball, it’s easy to see why he is considered ‘unclutch,’ which is an unfair sentiment. He’s just not as clutch as Jeter or Ortiz.
Posted by Travis G. at 1/23/2007 09:54:00 PM
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Great post, thanks for the info.
I agree that Arods biggest problem is the fact that he is the highest paid player in the game.
If I was starting a team he'd probably be my first pick, at least top 3.
Thanks again.
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So much for never coming around in the clutch.
I don't think the Yankees deserve him for all the abuse many of their fans have poured on him.
I couldn't agree more, Yanks fans don't deserve Arod.
Class act, best player in baseball, and he'll get no love from Yankee fans, a shame.
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<< <i>Class act >>
Huh?
A class act, in a non-playoff / important game, wouldn't have touched all the bases after his team won. 8-7 is just as good as 10-7 since a win is a win.
I'm not complaining since I have him on my fantasy team, just making an unbiased observation.
Not sure I've ever seen that much class where someone didn't complete the bases when hitting a homerun, maybe you can point out an example.
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I couldn't agree more, Yanks fans don't deserve Arod.
Class act, best player in baseball, and he'll get no love from Yankee fans, a shame.
Peace
Doug >>
Again, and I have said this TIME and TIME again. Guys who make the above comment just don't know squat about the situation. Yankee fans can talk until BLUE in the face and the same generic blanket statement like this will be made.
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<< <i>Class act >>
Huh?
A class act, in a non-playoff / important game, wouldn't have touched all the bases after his team won. 8-7 is just as good as 10-7 since a win is a win.
I'm not complaining since I have him on my fantasy team, just making an unbiased observation.
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about??
Has that ever happened???
I can only assume you're being smarta$$, because that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Sincerely,
Your pal shawn
<< <i>I see Arod wasting hits again, homer and double, but they are behind 7 - 2. Guess he needs to save those for a close game.
Peace >>
What??
He hit the two run home run with his team losing 1-0. For crying out loud you guys are killing me.
It's no wonder the rest of the world hates yankee fans (in a sports-sense sort of hate, not literally), such selective memories.
Where is the thread where Jeter made two errors in the game a couple of days ago?? I can't find it.
shawn
I am confused too? LOL ..... Am I missing something? Are you saying A-Rod should have not circled the bases after that dinger? I don't think I have ever seen somebody not touch em all. It may even be a rule ... ????
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<< <i>With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about??
Has that ever happened???
I can only assume you're being smarta$$, because that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Sincerely,
Your pal shawn >>
No offense taken
But of course it's happened; numerous times in fact. Hence the term "walk off homerun"... That's when you walk off the field rather than finishing the home run.
Edited to add: Since so many have questioned if in fact this has happened, I'll allow some of the experts to comment. I've seen it first hand at Astro games... It's up to the player who hit the homerun. After the winning run scores, the player has the option to either finish it out or walk off. If he walks off, I don't believe he is credited with a HR and the additional RBIs.
I could be mistaken but 99.999% sure I'm correc.t
<< <i>You were saying?
So much for never coming around in the clutch.
I don't think the Yankees deserve him for all the abuse many of their fans have poured on him. >>
So us Yankee fans are not allowed to show displeasure or how we feel when a player who is expected to come through with big hits doesn't? Yankee fans WANT to root for A-Rod so badly. We want to shut up the media and all the other hosers out there who do nothing but trash him for being the highest paid player in sports. The thing is, you can't do that when he drops pop-ups, whiffs with the bases loaded and the Yankees down by a run, etc. Yankee fans truly want more of what happened today as it gives us a chance to cheer him on. Hell, we poured the boos on Reggie Jackson when he was a Yankee. The only way you avoid the boo-birds are by either coming through in high pressure situations on a routine basis, or being humble and not high on yourself. In the past A-Rod was not exactly a humble individual. As a result, NY fans expect a bit more from him. We don't want him leaving and we want to root for him whenever we can (notice the insane level of cheering and applause given when he comes up to bat in a high pressure situation). It's just difficult to continue cheering for someone when they whiff or pop-up in a high pressure situation.
Players throwing off their batting helmets as they round third and then jumping into the pile of teammates waiting for them at the plate is what always happens.
You sure you're not joking??
<< <i>I can honestly say I've never seen that happen.
Players throwing off their batting helmets as they round third and then jumping into the pile of teammates waiting for them at the plate is what always happens.
You sure you're not joking??
Dead serious... I edited and added to my comment above.
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Crossing home plate
A technicality of the walk-off home run is that the game is not officially over until the winning run crosses home plate (in the case of a solo walk-off home run, the batter must round all the bases). This fact almost caused a serious problem in the 1976 ALCS. Mark Littell of the Kansas City Royals served up a home run ball to Chris Chambliss of the New York Yankees, who hit the home run that won the pennant. When jubilant Yankee fans ran onto the field at Yankee Stadium (the Yankees had not won the pennant in 12 years), preventing Chambliss from rounding the bases, Chambliss had to negotiate a sea of fans in order to place his foot in the area of home plate. Announcer Bill White, on WMCA radio in New York, yelled into the microphone, in a voice of disbelief, "...and the game...I THINK...is over!"
Another example is Robin Ventura's "Grand Slam Single" in the 1999 National League Championship Series. In the bottom of the 15th inning, the New York Mets tied the score against the Atlanta Braves at 3-3. Ventura came to bat with the bases loaded, and hit a walk-off grand slam to deep right. Roger Cedeño scored from third and John Olerud appeared to score from second, but Todd Pratt, on first base when Ventura hit the home run, went to second, then turned around and hugged Ventura, as the rest of the team piled onto the field. The official ruling was that because Ventura never advanced past first base, it was not a home run but a single, and thus only Cedeño's run counted, making the official final score 4-3.
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<< <i>Another example is Robin Ventura's "Grand Slam Single" in the 1999 National League Championship Series. In the bottom of the 15th inning, the New York Mets tied the score against the Atlanta Braves at 3-3. Ventura came to bat with the bases loaded, and hit a walk-off grand slam to deep right. Roger Cedeño scored from third and John Olerud appeared to score from second, but Todd Pratt, on first base when Ventura hit the home run, went to second, then turned around and hugged Ventura, as the rest of the team piled onto the field. The official ruling was that because Ventura never advanced past first base, it was not a home run but a single, and thus only Cedeño's run counted, making the official final score 4-3. >>
and the back line was 8. I had the over.
<< <i>Thanks for the info stown. But everybody touches them all. I can't remember the last time I saw somebody not. The Chambliss homer was a unique situation! >>
That's because my team is classier than yours.
/sacrasm and ducks for cover
Edit; I just saw that stown already cited the Ventura example; in any case, it was a great game and comeback win for the Yanks and Arod is off to a terrific start. Gotta give him his due on this one.
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Arod has been ripped by many, and nobody more than I. As a Yankee fan I hope with all my heart that he can come through for the team. He had a great game and did so today and all the credit goes to him for doing so.
I sincerely hope he proves me wrong in every ounce of criticism I and others have ever dished out and continues to prove us all wrong.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>Yankees fans are a joke. Arod shouldve came out for that curtain call flipping them all off. THEY BOO'ED him earlier in the game and then he became a hero? What a joke. He should just move to a team with fans that appreciate him. >>
AGAIN, nothing but blanket bull crap comments from people who don't know SQUAT about what has been going on. Yankee fans are a joke .... sheesh, can we get any worse contributions?
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