Please remind me what can happen when I ship to an unconfirmed address??
BigRedMachine
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Just had a buyer win a half dozen of my '55 all american cards on ebay for a total of $220.
Let me start by saying that is A LOT of money to me.
He paid by paypal nearly immediately but has an unconfirmed address. The guy has a feedback of 294 with 100 percent feedback, has won about 40 auctions this month alone, and nearly all have been for sportscards. In short, he seems like the perfect buyer for my auctions.
But I know I've read on here before that an unconfirmed address can be trouble. What might be the reason for that, and can I do anything to protect myself?? I simply can't get stiffed for $220.
shawn
Let me start by saying that is A LOT of money to me.
He paid by paypal nearly immediately but has an unconfirmed address. The guy has a feedback of 294 with 100 percent feedback, has won about 40 auctions this month alone, and nearly all have been for sportscards. In short, he seems like the perfect buyer for my auctions.
But I know I've read on here before that an unconfirmed address can be trouble. What might be the reason for that, and can I do anything to protect myself?? I simply can't get stiffed for $220.
shawn
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If you're going to accept it, I'd say withdraw it and transfer it to your checking account immediately.
Even if you shipped it with delivery confirmation, the buyer can still say he didn't receive it and file
a chargeback. Paypal doesn't care if it says the item was delivered....the address was unconfirmed and you're SOL.
If you just don't want to chance it, change your paypal preferences. You should also state that in your
auctions.
Hypothetically if it's a bunk deal, I'll pay for the ones I need at the price he paid.
Edited to clarify: Only if you got the cards back. I ain't payin for somethin I ain't gettin
The address to my credit card is my house, now I have an unconfirmed pay pal address because the delivery address does not match the shipping address. After hearing about it from alot of big sellers, I changed my credit card address to my office and went paperless statement. Saving the earth, and not having my cards stolen from my front porch.
I would give the guy the cards, seems he has the credentials
With the buyer's feedback history, I wouldn't sweat it.
Mark
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
I really believe the guy got his coins, but knew the system. Most buyer are legit but some are more evil than others.
I sent the guy an email asking him to confirm his address for me. Not necessarily through paypal but just thought I'd feel better if I hear from him. His feedback looks very good so I think I'll give it a try. I could withdrawal the money from paypal, but I still have about $400 out from other auctions that ended so I almost need to wait on those payments before I can completely empty my paypal account.
I think I'll do what you said Bryan and change my paypal preferences so not to accept anymore payments from an unconfirmed address. In the meantime, I'm not shipping the cards out until I at least get an explanation email back from the buyer, so I'll let you know Stown if it falls through.
As a side note,
<< <i>Paypal doesn't care if it says the item was delivered.. >>
Why not? Even with signature confirmation? How hard is it to figure out you sent the package?? The great minds of eBay and paypal can't figure that one out?? That's mind boggling.
Thanks for the responses.
shawn
<< <i>Hi, I had a bad experience about 2-1/2 years ago on ebay in a simular setting. A buyer from NJ had bought about $600 in morgan dollars from me. His address was unconfirmed , due to the fact that he had moved recently. I emailed him asking him to confirm his address.He never emailed me back . I was new to ebay and was trying to give great service , so after a few days , I simply mailed them, with delivery confirmation and insurance. They were mailed to the address in about 3 days. 2 weeks later I got a email wondering where his coins were. Even though I had a signature and all the bells, paypal ruled in his favor, because it was an unconfirmed address. The postal service mail it the address I asked them to mail it to , so I was unable to collect the insurance. I was totally screwed.
I really believe the guy got his coins, but knew the system. Most buyer are legit but some are more evil than others. >>
That's downright scary!
do as someone above stated.
Go into your paypal preferences and set them to NOT accept those types of payments, PERIOD.
State that you do not accept them in your auctions as well.
As far as what to do on the cards, do whatever you're comfortable with.
State that you do not accept them in your auctions as well."
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Yup.
<< <i>Hi, I had a bad experience about 2-1/2 years ago on ebay in a simular setting. A buyer from NJ had bought about $600 in morgan dollars from me. His address was unconfirmed , due to the fact that he had moved recently. I emailed him asking him to confirm his address.He never emailed me back . I was new to ebay and was trying to give great service , so after a few days , I simply mailed them, with delivery confirmation and insurance. They were mailed to the address in about 3 days. 2 weeks later I got a email wondering where his coins were. Even though I had a signature and all the bells, paypal ruled in his favor, because it was an unconfirmed address. The postal service mail it the address I asked them to mail it to , so I was unable to collect the insurance. I was totally screwed.
I really believe the guy got his coins, but knew the system. Most buyer are legit but some are more evil than others. >>
But it didn't have to be over - you could have sued him in small claims court and won easily. For $600 I would have definitely sued him. In fact in some states, 2 1/2 years is not too late - you may still be able to sue him.
Bottom line with PayPal - Yes, you ship to an unconfirmed address and if the buyer says he didn't receive it, you lose with PayPal - automatically. However, I am not sure about this but if a buyer suddenly comes up with a number of not received complaints through PayPal, I believe that PayPal will close the account. Of course if he does 20 PayPal transactions for a dollar and it appears to PayPal that he is honest, and then scams you for $600 then he is making out like a bandit, because he is a bandit. And if he has no money in his PayPal account and PayPal closes the account, it does you no good because PayPal cannot tap into his bank account without his authorization.
Looking at the ebay feedback and prior transactions is helpful. You of course can simply refund his money and not ship to him, but he could neg you if he thinks about it.
Good luck.
Steve
<< <i>"Go into your paypal preferences and set them to NOT accept those types of payments, PERIOD.
State that you do not accept them in your auctions as well."
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Yup. >>
Done. I'm not going to worry about this anymore. I'm hadn't sold enough to worry about this before, but I'll put it in my auctions from here on out.
<< <i>Bottom line with PayPal - Yes, you ship to an unconfirmed address and if the buyer says he didn't receive it, you lose with PayPal - automatically. >>
I still don't see how hard this could be to rectify. I mean if a guy signs for the item, where is the argument?
How about this scam? Let's say I sell a $500 worth of cards to buyer. He has a confirmed address, pays through paypal with a credit card. I carefully box up his $500 worth of '55 all americans, and send the item insured with delivery confirmation.
A week goes buy and he tries to tell paypal the cards I actually sent him were a handful of '89 topps commons and he didn't receive the cards he was suppose to. He ships 12 '89 topps back to me and wants a refund.
Anyone tried that scam? Why wouldn't that work?
I've been truly fortunate on eBay, 600 plus transactions with no negatives and no problems. But there sure seems like there are a lot of ways to get screwed and anytime I buy or sell something for more than $20, I worry about them.
shawn
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<< <i>"Go into your paypal preferences and set them to NOT accept those types of payments, PERIOD.
State that you do not accept them in your auctions as well."
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Yup. >>
Done. I'm not going to worry about this anymore. I'm hadn't sold enough to worry about this before, but I'll put it in my auctions from here on out.
<< <i>Bottom line with PayPal - Yes, you ship to an unconfirmed address and if the buyer says he didn't receive it, you lose with PayPal - automatically. >>
I still don't see how hard this could be to rectify. I mean if a guy signs for the item, where is the argument?
How about this scam? Let's say I sell a $500 worth of cards to buyer. He has a confirmed address, pays through paypal with a credit card. I carefully box up his $500 worth of '55 all americans, and send the item insured with delivery confirmation.
A week goes buy and he tries to tell paypal the cards I actually sent him were a handful of '89 topps commons and he didn't receive the cards he was suppose to. He ships 12 '89 topps back to me and wants a refund.
Anyone tried that scam? Why wouldn't that work?
I've been truly fortunate on eBay, 600 plus transactions with no negatives and no problems. But there sure seems like there are a lot of ways to get screwed and anytime I buy or sell something for more than $20, I worry about them.
shawn >>
It could happen. I've never seen this posted before but perhaps the only way to technically be 100% sure is to say give the shipping carton and the loose merchandise to a notary public, and have the notary public comment in the log-book as to what is the merchandise going into the carton - the notary seals the carton with tape and mails it. Otherwise I think you could be screwed.
There's probably other ways of doing this. I would think that businesses selling very expensive items such as jewelry, would somehow record their shipping transactions for these type of reasons. Maybe Levi does something like this to avoid a possible scam.
I think this happens to be one of the good guys, like I said, 250 transaction, 100% feedback. Now I feel I should just go ahead and send to the address he prefers instead of hasseling him.
In any event, I changed my paypal profile to not take any more unconfirmed payments so I don't have to worry about it again.
Thanks for all the tips.
shawn
if you think he is going to be a repeat buyer from you......
you might give him a heads up that you changed your preferences and offer to take a check w/no hold, etc...
Last year I sold so much stuff, each week I would go ahead and mail out about half of the packages w/o even receiving payment.
State that you do not accept them in your auctions as well."
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Yup. >>
Done. I'm not going to worry about this anymore. I'm hadn't sold enough to worry about this before, but I'll put it in my auctions from here on out.
<< Bottom line with PayPal - Yes, you ship to an unconfirmed address and if the buyer says he didn't receive it, you lose with PayPal - automatically. >>
I still don't see how hard this could be to rectify. I mean if a guy signs for the item, where is the argument?
How about this scam? Let's say I sell a $500 worth of cards to buyer. He has a confirmed address, pays through paypal with a credit card. I carefully box up his $500 worth of '55 all americans, and send the item insured with delivery confirmation.
A week goes buy and he tries to tell paypal the cards I actually sent him were a handful of '89 topps commons and he didn't receive the cards he was suppose to. He ships 12 '89 topps back to me and wants a refund.
Anyone tried that scam? Why wouldn't that work?
I've been truly fortunate on eBay, 600 plus transactions with no negatives and no problems. But there sure seems like there are a lot of ways to get screwed and anytime I buy or sell something for more than $20, I worry about them.
shawn >>
It could happen. I've never seen this posted before but perhaps the only way to technically be 100% sure is to say give the shipping carton and the loose merchandise to a notary public, and have the notary public comment in the log-book as to what is the merchandise going into the carton - the notary seals the carton with tape and mails it. Otherwise I think you could be screwed.
There's probably other ways of doing this. I would think that businesses selling very expensive items such as jewelry, would somehow record their shipping transactions for these type of reasons. Maybe Levi does something like this to avoid a possible scam.
Several years ago I sold some modern bulk lots in the thousand dollar range and I always had a few witnesses check off each card as I packaged it. Then I enclosed a copy of their checklists with the package and had them sign the sealed tape. Not sure how well that would have held up in court, but it made me feel better.