Star Co. 80's Basketball + PSA?
ryaneversole
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I'm assembling a PSA basketball collection and I'm wondering if PSA grades the 80's Star Co. cards. I know they are a ton of fakes... but it would be nice to have a set in between '81 and '86. Any ideas?
WTB:
CINCINNATI REDS
1976 - 1991 - Topps PSA 10
1983 & 1985 Fleer PSA 10
1985 Donruss PSA 10
Blue Ink Signed Topps Cards
Game-Used Bats/Jerseys
OPC PSA 10
MC & OC Cards
OTHER:
Eric Davis Anything
Votto, Willingham, Cantu, Doumit, Gomes
Baron Davis Game Used Jersey
CINCINNATI REDS
1976 - 1991 - Topps PSA 10
1983 & 1985 Fleer PSA 10
1985 Donruss PSA 10
Blue Ink Signed Topps Cards
Game-Used Bats/Jerseys
OPC PSA 10
MC & OC Cards
OTHER:
Eric Davis Anything
Votto, Willingham, Cantu, Doumit, Gomes
Baron Davis Game Used Jersey
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Look at this thread where I compared a Star John Stockton RC I got in the early 90s to one that "bigboydsportscards3", an ebay dealer with 40,000+ fb, has been selling with regularity: Thread . He seems to have an endless supply of SLU, 80s Minor League cards (only the big ones), and key Star Co. RCs. Hmmm, that's not too fishy.
Lee
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Type 1: Robert Levin went back and used his old presses, plates, and equipment to reprint some sets (and create others) years later. Many people feel these are indistinguishable from the originals, and that's why most grading companies won't touch them.
Type 2: There is a current counterfeiting ring, focusing on these cards, some college issues, and a few other things. These cards are readily distinguishable from the originals if you compare the two = typeface errors, background color changes, logo problems, other changes to the text, etc.
shaqfu/redzone, bigboyd, and some other ebay powerscammers are connected to this ring.
Many of the cards from this ring appear in GEM Elite or Capitol Grading holders.
BTW, Steve Taft, who is the leading authenticator of Star cards, and who is one of the largest dealers in the original Star material, has done excellent work documenting Type 2 fakes and presenting this in hobby magazines and at shows.
Type 1 is bad, but it's hard to say it's a difference in kind, rather than degree, from backdooring large quantities of product or printing more cases after the production numbers were announced.
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"Hey guys, thanks for all your hard work this week. Have a good weekend." <reaching for the on switch on the printing press as the employees are leaving> Oh look, here are some Barry Sanders uncut sheets- I think a 5000 stripe would look good on a few hundred of these.
They really were printing their own money back then- literally.
Lee
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Are they saying the 84-85 Miller Lite set didn't exist until this "Find"?
I've had one of those, plus a bunch of other Star cards since the late 80's.
lee
I don't think R Levin reprinted every set. There are still many sets you just don't see very often (84 Celtics, 84 Mavs, 85 Crunch N Munch and alot of others). I don't think I've seen anyone with any quantity of those.
Have you guys noticed Kruk cards selling alot of Star cards in the last year, two years? Seems like every week they've got the same bags.
It's a real tragedy what happened to these cards. They're so gorgeous and they had everything going for them.
If you took all basketball cards from the 80's (80-81 Topps through 89/90 Fleer) and charted their decline in value over the last 10 years, some star cards have held up pretty well. The 84 Mavs bag peaked at about $800, and I've seen it sell in a GAI 9 bag for $400, "only" a 50% decline.
Compare that to raw a Pippen rookie that was $40 or $50 down to $20, or the stagnant prices of the Bird-Magic rookie, the decline in the 86 Jordan, etc. Some Star cards have held up decently, considering how tainted the series is.
Star Co. 80's Basketball + PSA?
I think this issue will reappear with fleer....as it did with star, proline, classic, etc. If a company doesn't destroy the plates immediately after printing the whole market's screwed. With the same paper, and original plates you can effective make "original" cards into perpetuity. Back in the day I heard not only were the plates available, but I also heard there was a huge amount of uncut paper that made its way into the market. Who knows....those star plates may still be floating out there waiting for someone who wants 20,000 more jordan rookies. edited: how on earth can GAI authenticate these things? I don't care how good those guys are.....there's absolutely no way to authenticate a card that is reprinted on original stock with original paper. Any J@ck@rse who tries is just begging people to question his qualifications in everything else he does.
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