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what's best psa 6 or gai 7 '52 topps mantle
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i have a Gai 7 '52 topps mantle. thinking of sending it to PSA for cross over grading. I know i could say that i will not accept anything lower than a psa 7 or would a psa 6 be better than a "bird in hand" Gai 7 in this card. just wanted your opinion.
Wayne Mills
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13 cards to crossover to PSA. Only 6 of the 13 made the minimum grade.
Good Luck.
Dan
At this point I think you'd be better off with a PSA 5 than a GAI 7.
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I think that many collectors feel that any card that is stillin a GAI holder is one that could not cross to PSA or SGC.
Ron
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<< <i>I would like to see a scan too. The question of whether it would cross over sometimes depends on who at GAI graded it. >>
You don't think it might depend on who submitted it?
1952 Topps Mantle GAI 7
My guess is if you sent it in to PSA it would probably get a 6.
Congrats on the sweet pick up.
Jake
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wayne mills
the card IS the card that is just below your message. Just my opinion, but PSA is way over-rated. I've seen them murder very good cards for no reason. Did the GAI guys forget everything they knew just because they quit PSA. Thanks for your opinion.
wayne mills
you can tell ALL that from a scan? I'll tell you what, I go to my grave with the GAI 7 before I will let PSA murder it. I've owned 5 1952 topps Mantle's. Just sold a PSA 4 and this card is SO much better. I bought it for myself so it will stay a 7. thanks for your opinion.
wayne mills
please explain why a GAI cannot be graded by PSA. Is it because PSA is mad because the guys who worked there quit and started GAI?
Ron
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wayne
I checked out the last 6 sales of PSA 7 52 Mantles. All sold in excess of $30,000.
So, unfortunate as it is, GAI does not command as high prices as PSA. I've seen this time and time again with
cards I've sold and cards that I have purchased.
I'm new to this hobby, but have already stopped buying GAI graded cards. I am now buying PSA (and SGC for 1920's and earlier). If for
some reason I were to buy a GAI graded card I would make sure I spent 1 grade less than the equivalent PSA value. Of course, that's just me. I'm sure you know a lot more about grading than I do.
FYI:
Here's a status of the 13 cards I sent in:
(I am thinking of breaking each card out and sending them in. I'd love to find out the truth about the crossover vs. break out theory.)
1 out of 4 GAI cards crossed over
4 out of 6 SGC cards crossed over
1 out of 3 BGS cards crossed over
SGC40 --> PSA 3
SGC84 M/G to PSA 7 (card definitely looks nice enough to be a PSA7)
SGC88 M/G to PSA 8
SGC96 --> PSA9
SGC88 --> PSA8
SGC88 --> PSA8
GAI7.5 --> PSA7
GAI8 M/G to PSA8
GAI8 M/G to PSA8
GAI8.5 M/G to PSA8
BGS9.5 M/G to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 = 9.0)
BGS9.5 --> PSA10
BGS9.5 M/g to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 - 9.0)
Good Luck with your Mantle!!
Dan
Thanks for all the info you sent me. What I think I will do is send it to PSA and not accept anything lower than a psa 7. that way, the worse that can happen is that i will get it back in the GAI 7 holder plus expenses. I could accept a PSA 6 on it but still not ready to go that route. Thanks again for the lists you sent me. They will give me some insight in cross over in the future. thanks
wayne mills
thanks for your suggestion. Maybe a PSA 6 is not so bad. Maybe I'll send it in and not accept anything lower than a 6. I've got 25 different suggestions. I just have this feeling that PSA resents GAI for the guys leaving. Hate to crack it open and damage the card. I'm just lost as what to do. thanks
wayne
Definatley DO NOT crack that GAI slab open!!!! if that card is damaged in the slightest
it will be downgraded severly.
Jake
Your best method is to just send it to PSA with your minimum grade acceptance.
Good luck and again no matter what holder it's in that is one Beautiful Mick
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It's a solid 6
Jake
please explain why a GAI cannot be graded by PSA. Is it because PSA is mad because the guys who worked there quit and started GAI? >>>
Plenty of people leave companies to start new ventures thinking they have the wherewithal and the skills to duplicate the success at the previous company. Some make it, many do not. Just because GAI was started by some people who formerly worked at PSA is no guarantee for success.
I have had nothing but bad experiences with GAI and I would not buy "the card and not the holder" if it was in a GAI holder. The card in question appears to me to be overgraded.
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Here's a status of the 13 cards I sent in:
(I am thinking of breaking each card out and sending them in. I'd love to find out the truth about the crossover vs. break out theory.)
1 out of 4 GAI cards crossed over
4 out of 6 SGC cards crossed over
1 out of 3 BGS cards crossed over
SGC40 --> PSA 3
SGC84 M/G to PSA 7 (card definitely looks nice enough to be a PSA7)
SGC88 M/G to PSA 8
SGC96 --> PSA9
SGC88 --> PSA8
SGC88 --> PSA8
GAI7.5 --> PSA7
GAI8 M/G to PSA8
GAI8 M/G to PSA8
GAI8.5 M/G to PSA8
BGS9.5 M/G to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 = 9.0)
BGS9.5 --> PSA10
BGS9.5 M/g to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 - 9.0)
Good Luck with your Mantle!!
Dan
QUERY: Did you review these crossovers carefully before you sent them in? I.E., self-grade them? The reason I'm asking is, there's really not a whole lot of difference in the grading standards between the main 3 companies. Most of the time you can look at a GAI 7.5 or SGC 86 card and tell if it has a chance to bump. If you don't self-grade in advance and just send them in willy nilly, you're bound to be disappointed. Also, though the relative standards are the same, the companies treat certain issues differently. For example, GAI will hammer a card with snow (if Mike Baker grades it), but will be more lenient with corners. PSA will hammer a card with a roller mark, whereas the others are more lenient. And so on. The point is that when the crossover discussion comes up, people often overlook the importance of reviewing these cards carefully yourself.
Ron
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<< <i>
QUERY: Did you review these crossovers carefully before you sent them in? I.E., self-grade them? The reason I'm asking is, there's really not a whole lot of difference in the grading standards between the main 3 companies. Most of the time you can look at a GAI 7.5 or SGC 86 card and tell if it has a chance to bump. If you don't self-grade in advance and just send them in willy nilly, you're bound to be disappointed. Also, though the relative standards are the same, the companies treat certain issues differently. For example, GAI will hammer a card with snow (if Mike Baker grades it), but will be more lenient with corners. PSA will hammer a card with a roller mark, whereas the others are more lenient. And so on. The point is that when the crossover discussion comes up, people often overlook the importance of reviewing these cards carefully yourself.
Ron >>
I did review them, not carefully though. I'm not experienced enough to tell the difference between 7.5 & 8. However, I did post the BGS9.5's for review on the forum. I looked over the Topps Tiffany C Jones RC (BGS 9.5) as carefully as I could. This card looked perfect to me. I couldn't believe it didn't get a 10.
I guess I'm more looking at resale value. It really looks to me like GAI vs. PSA is no contest. Do you agree? Look at recent sales...
Dan
I think you may have misread what I wrote. What I was trying to say is that many cards that were graded by GAI have been crossed over to PSA or SGC - GAI cards generally do not sell for what they once did. As a matter of fact, many collectors (but not all) simply do not trust GAI graded cards. PSA and SGC cards generally cross over between the two with equal grades for the most part.
I don't think that PSA is mad at anyone.
<< <i>What do members of this board think about crossing over this GAI 7 Mantle?
>>
david,
certainly worth a shot.
Ron
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1. Is that scuffing or paper loss in the top left?
2. Is that a scratch/crease going the the Mick's right ear?
3. Did someone set it on top of a credit card and roll over the top surface?
If the answers are "NO" to all three of these then I'd say go ahead and try the crossover.
Looks like the corners are a little sharper. It's bid is already at $23.5k (+ 17.5%).
There is no scratch on the right ear - that is a scratch on the holder
The holder does have some shadowy printing on it - but this on the holder, not the card
Just my own thoughts...
Dan
wayne mills
wayne
Are you kidding me? There must be more behind this story than meets the eye...
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<< <i>also, a friend of mine told me today that he submitted a card to psa and got a 2. He then cracked it open and resubmitted it and got a psa 7. It was a lower cost card, but this still makes you wonder about all this grading hype.
wayne >>
That sounds like the first grader was harsh on some very minor paper loss, and the second grader missed it.
email me if interested
Here's a status of the 13 cards I sent in:
(I am thinking of breaking each card out and sending them in. I'd love to find out the truth about the crossover vs. break out theory.)
1 out of 4 GAI cards crossed over
4 out of 6 SGC cards crossed over
1 out of 3 BGS cards crossed over
SGC40 --> PSA 3
SGC84 M/G to PSA 7 (card definitely looks nice enough to be a PSA7)
SGC88 M/G to PSA 8
SGC96 --> PSA9
SGC88 --> PSA8
SGC88 --> PSA8
GAI7.5 --> PSA7
GAI8 M/G to PSA8
GAI8 M/G to PSA8
GAI8.5 M/G to PSA8
BGS9.5 M/G to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 = 9.0)
BGS9.5 --> PSA10
BGS9.5 M/g to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 - 9.0)
>>
OK, here's an update. I decided to break out most the cards that I tried crossing over above and resubmitting. I needed to
see how they would grade.
Crossover Results: SGC84 M/G to PSA 7
Raw Results: This card did come back PSA7 after not crossing over.
Crossover Results: SGC88 M/G to PSA 8
Raw Results: PSA7
Crossover Results: GAI8 M/G to PSA8
Raw Results: PSA7
Crossover Results: GAI8 M/G to PSA8
Raw Results: PSA7
Crossover Results: GAI8.5 M/G to PSA8
Raw Results: PSA7
Crossover Results: BGS9.5 M/G to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 = 9.0)
Raw Results: did not submit
Crossover Results: BGS9.5 M/g to PSA10 (3 - 9.5, 1 - 9.0)
Raw Results: did not submit
So, only 1 made the original grade (and it was an SGC card). The rest were one grade lower. This pretty much confirms my
theory that if you are buying a GAI card, don't pay higher than PSA grade minus 1. I know this was no where
near scientific enough, but it is good enough for me.
Dan
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