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frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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As hard as it is, I'm going to keep quite about this one. I'm going to be a good little boy.


PSA Order Status for Submission # 612350

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 31760025 1968 TOPPS 222 JIM HARDIN N/A 8
2 31760026 1968 TOPPS 273 DAVE JOHNSON N/A 8
3 31760027 1968 TOPPS 277 JERRY BUCHEK N/A 8
4 31760028 1968 TOPPS 298 JIM BREWER N/A 8
5 31760029 1968 TOPPS 366 RON SANTO ALL STAR 8
6 31760030 1968 TOPPS 397 VIC DAVALILLO N/A 8
7 31760031 1968 TOPPS 426 HANK ALLEN N/A 8
8 31760032 1968 TOPPS 538 MANNY JIMENEZ N/A 9
9 31760033 1968 TOPPS 544 MAYO SMITH N/A 9
10 31760034 1968 TOPPS 547 DAN COOMBS N/A 8
11 31760035 1968 TOPPS 565 LARRY DIERKER N/A 8
12 31760036 1968 TOPPS 568 WILLIE SMITH N/A 9
13 31760037 1968 TOPPS 591 DICK NEN N/A 8
14 31760038 1970 TOPPS 210 JUAN MARICHAL N/A 8
15 31760039 1971 TOPPS 50 WILLIE McCOVEY N/A 7
16 31760040 1974 TOPPS 283 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 8
17 31760041 1974 TOPPS 300 PETE ROSE N/A 7
18 31760042 1975 TOPPS 3 '74 HIGHLIGHTS BOB GIBSON 7
19 31760043 1975 TOPPS 70 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 5
20 31760044 1975 TOPPS 191 1953-MVP'S A.ROSEN/R.CAMPANELLA 5
21 31760045 1975 TOPPS 201 1963-MVP'S E.HOWARD/S.KOUFAX 8
22 31760046 1975 TOPPS 223 ROBIN YOUNT N/A 6
23 31760047 1975 TOPPS 228 GEORGE BRETT N/A 6
24 31760048 1975 TOPPS 228 GEORGE BRETT N/A 6
25 31760049 1975 TOPPS 260 JOHNNY BENCH N/A 7
26 31760050 1975 TOPPS 300 REGGIE JACKSON N/A 7
27 31760051 1975 TOPPS 320 PETE ROSE N/A 7
28 31760052 1975 TOPPS 500 NOLAN RYAN N/A 7
29 31760053 1975 TOPPS 500 NOLAN RYAN N/A 6
30 31760054 1975 TOPPS 660 HANK AARON N/A 6
31 31760055 1976 TOPPS 600 TOM SEAVER N/A 7
32 31760056 1979 TOPPS 215 WILLIE McCOVEY N/A 7
33 31760057 1979 TOPPS 520 GARY CARTER N/A 9
34 31760058 1982 TOPPS 21 ORIOLES FUTURE STARS BONNER/RIPKEN/SCHNEIDER 8
35 31760059 1982 TOPPS 610 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 9
36 31760060 1982 FLEER 92 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 9
37 31760061 1983 TOPPS 180 RICKEY HENDERSON N/A 8
38 31760062 1983 FLEER 360 TONY GWYNN N/A 8
39 31760063 1984 TOPPS 500 GEORGE BRETT N/A 9
40 31760064 1984 DONRUSS 48 ROBIN YOUNT N/A 8
41 31760065 1984 DONRUSS 106 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 9
42 31760066 1984 DONRUSS 183 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 9
43 31760067 1984 DONRUSS 248 DON MATTINGLY N/A 8
44 31760068 1985 DONRUSS 273 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 6
45 31760069 1985 DONRUSS 273 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 6
46 31760070 1986 TOPPS TRADED 11T BARRY BONDS N/A 8
47 31760071 1987 DONRUSS 361 BARRY BONDS N/A 8
48 31760072 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE 9
49 31760073 1994 UPPER DECK 24 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 9
50 31760074 2001 FINEST AUTOGRAPHS AP ALBERT PUJOLS N/A 9

Date Received: 03/12/2007
Date of Grades Posted: 03/29/2007
Date Shipped: 03/29/2007


Shane

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  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭
    I take it you are unhappy?
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  • Ladder7Ladder7 Posts: 1,221 ✭
    your silence is deafening
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  • kcballboykcballboy Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭
    Quiet please.
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    ouch
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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, I've been quite long enough.

    I think I got the grader of death on the day he lost his best friend, his dog died, and he had the flu. The only (and I mean only) thing that went my way was the Pujols. It was a crack out from an 8 holder. Those Clemens rookies were straight from 2 factory sealed sets. The 79 McCovey was every bit as nice as the Carter. Those 68's were OK, but I expected a couple of more 9's and maybe one 10 (yes, they were that nice).

    Let's put it this way - it was the first time that I have ever yelled at a computer screen.

    Shane

  • envoy98envoy98 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭
    It's the 317 grader of death!













    </end sarcasm>

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  • Ladder7Ladder7 Posts: 1,221 ✭
    This may help some. My two cards just popped, 317 gave me a PSA Aut, and a PSA 1.

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  • onefasttalononefasttalon Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    Those were some nice cards... what was the service level???

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  • markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭
    At least your turnaround time was good. Those of us who who have a guaranteed turnaround and sent in our cards eleven weeks ago are jealous.
  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,114 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>At least your turnaround time was good. Those of us who who have a guaranteed turnaround and sent in our cards eleven weeks ago are jealous. >>



    But it sounds like most of these will be cracked and resubmitted, so the turnaround time will not be that fast and more costly.
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  • jgarci11jgarci11 Posts: 289 ✭
    Did you pay alot more insurance than you had too?
    After all isn't the insurance section the area where you pay for them to ship a card that might get the highest grade possible?

    I didn't call it a bribe, how dare you.
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm feeling like this is what you will get with the specials. I sent in a total of 5 64 Mantles #50 in the last 2 months. I sent in the best 2 just recently. 2 were sent in at the CC membership freebies and 3 were sent in express. I got two 8's and one 7 on the first 3 submitted. The last two-the best two got 7's. I was not very happy. I looked up the CERT's to see what was graded before and after my two Mantles and it was something like 2006 Bowman Chrome. I think the grading at times becomes chaotic. Do you think graders should be grading all years? Can a grader who regularly grades refractors be an expert in vintage cards 50 years prior? I believe it would be hard to be consistent. I would like some opinions on this.
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭
    Just to play devil's advocate, maybe it wasn't the grader but it was you who over-judged them before sending them in? I have found that, by and large, when I really look at the cards the grades are very consistent. Sure you can always pick out one or two cards that seem harshly graded but you usually can find one or two that got a more favorable grade than I thought it would. I always jot down what I think the cards will receive and then compare when PSA actually grades them. I have found that when I rush a submission, put it together after a few beers, etc... I get the "grader of death."
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I probably spent 7 or 8 hours over several days picking those out, so I wasn't in a hurry. I usually am very pleased and get the grades right much of the time. You are right, sometimes you get one that is undergraded, but then sometimes you get one that is overgraded. That's why I am so surprised. Out of 50 cards, there was not one card that I got what I would call the maximum for a particular card. Every single one was either the minimum of what I would have guessed OR LOWER (SOMETIMES 2 GRADES LOWER). For instance, I would have said a minimum 8 on the 2 Clemens'. Both got 6's.

    Shane

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I probably spent 7 or 8 hours over several days picking those out, so I wasn't in a hurry. I usually am very pleased and get the grades right much of the time. You are right, sometimes you get one that is undergraded, but then sometimes you get one that is overgraded. That's why I am so surprised. Out of 50 cards, there was not one card that I got what I would call the maximum for a particular card. Every single one was either the minimum of what I would have guessed OR LOWER (SOMETIMES 2 GRADES LOWER). For instance, I would have said a minimum 8 on the 2 Clemens'. Both got 6's. >>



    If you honestly believe that, I strongly suggest cracking and resubmitting all of them.

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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>I probably spent 7 or 8 hours over several days picking those out, so I wasn't in a hurry. I usually am very pleased and get the grades right much of the time. You are right, sometimes you get one that is undergraded, but then sometimes you get one that is overgraded. That's why I am so surprised. Out of 50 cards, there was not one card that I got what I would call the maximum for a particular card. Every single one was either the minimum of what I would have guessed OR LOWER (SOMETIMES 2 GRADES LOWER). For instance, I would have said a minimum 8 on the 2 Clemens'. Both got 6's. >>



    Let me guess- the Clemens RC's came from factory sets.

    There have been threads here in the past that detailed the problems with these cards when they come from factory sets, as they usually feature a small dent in the upper left that automatically knocks them down to at least a 7. I probably have about 4 or 5 of these kicking around someplace. I don't know about the rest of them, but don't bother sending back those Clemens RC's because you'll get the same results the second time (assuming they were from factory sets. If they came from wax or rack it may be a different story altogether).
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, they came from factory sets. Small dent on the upper left? I'll check when I get them back. I would have thought I would notice that. I look them over pretty good.

    stown,

    I will definitely be resubmitting a few of them, one of them being the Mattingly.

    Shane

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>stown,

    I will definitely be resubmitting a few of them, one of them being the Mattingly. >>



    Wishing you the best of luck.

    May they all come back 10s image
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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭
    The Mattingly is the one you showed in the other thread? I don't see how that can get better than a 9? Centering is not great, print dot and it's a major rookie card and we KNOW that PSA is harsher on those than commons. Is it really worth multiple submissions to come from an 8 to a 9? I just don't see the value in re-subing multiple times. Good luck to you of course!
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  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The Mattingly is the one you showed in the other thread? I don't see how that can get better than a 9? Centering is not great, print dot and it's a major rookie card and we KNOW that PSA is harsher on those than commons. Is it really worth multiple submissions to come from an 8 to a 9? I just don't see the value in re-subing multiple times. Good luck to you of course! >>



    I see your point. It's probably not going to come back a 10 (even though I thought it had a shot), and a 9 doesn't make it much more valuable. I was just so bleepin' frustrated is all.

    Shane

  • colebearcolebear Posts: 886 ✭✭
    About the clemens, I have submitted probaly 30 or more Clemens from factory sets and some came back 6s also. When you get them back check and see if their is a small wrinkle about inch down, from the right side of the card to about the middle of the card on the front. AKA the place where right handers pull the card out of the card saver. There is some grader at PSA who is extremely rough on these cards. You might have a case if that is the situation. I am sorry to hear that though. Be sure to call and let them know the situation, they might rectify it.
  • jmbkb4jmbkb4 Posts: 2,963


    << <i>The Mattingly is the one you showed in the other thread? I don't see how that can get better than a 9? Centering is not great, print dot and it's a major rookie card and we KNOW that PSA is harsher on those than commons. Is it really worth multiple submissions to come from an 8 to a 9? I just don't see the value in re-subing multiple times. Good luck to you of course! >>



    I really think the Mattingly can be a 9, but a 10 is virtually impossible.
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FrankHardy - I feel your pain. Just got this back. Were free grades from registry, but Fregosi was a PSA 9oc (that was well within limits for a straight 8), the Skowron was a dynamite PSA 7 - both crackouts!

    LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
    1 04604600 1964 TOPPS GIANTS 18 JIM FREGOSI N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
    2 04604601 1964 TOPPS GIANTS 60 BILL SKOWRON N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements

    Date Received: 03/16/2007
    Date of Grades Posted: 03/29/2007
    Date Shipped: 03/29/2007

    I won't say another word either - but did send out an email. Got my fingers crossed.
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  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just got back 30 1975 topps baseball, and feel the same way. For those that tell Frank to crack and resubmit, why should he have to pay twice for shoddy grading from PSA? Why don't they do a decent job the first time. I hate sending in cards that are perfectly centered, sharp corners and they get eights and then going to ebay and seeing DSL with 20 1975 baseball PSA 9's for sale and maybe two have decent centering.
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    Sometimes the '85 Donruss Clemens from factory sets can have a right edge pinch too, like when they shrinked wrapped the cards and the machine pushed down too hard. Isn't the Clemens card the second or third card down from the shrinked wrapped pack in those 56 card factory bricks inside the set?

    Sorry your grades weren't better.

    I'm now not looking forward to getting my latest sub. back, especially when the grader of death is lurking......... beware.
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭


    << <i>About the clemens, I have submitted probaly 30 or more Clemens from factory sets and some came back 6s also. When you get them back check and see if their is a small wrinkle about inch down, from the right side of the card to about the middle of the card on the front. AKA the place where right handers pull the card out of the card saver. There is some grader at PSA who is extremely rough on these cards. You might have a case if that is the situation. I am sorry to hear that though. Be sure to call and let them know the situation, they might rectify it. >>




    Sorry Colebear. I didn't know you already answered this. I didn't read your post before I posted the same thing. .
  • colebearcolebear Posts: 886 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>About the clemens, I have submitted probaly 30 or more Clemens from factory sets and some came back 6s also. When you get them back check and see if their is a small wrinkle about inch down, from the right side of the card to about the middle of the card on the front. AKA the place where right handers pull the card out of the card saver. There is some grader at PSA who is extremely rough on these cards. You might have a case if that is the situation. I am sorry to hear that though. Be sure to call and let them know the situation, they might rectify it. >>




    Sorry Colebear. I didn't know you already answered this. I didn't read your post before I posted the same thing. . >>



    You are right about the Clemens being the 2nd or 3rd card downand getting a minor or scratch, but that should only knock it down to a 8. I still bet that someone was a little rough on it.
  • BobSBobS Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    I'm interested in the 75 Yount and one of the Brett's if you're looking to sell. Heck, I'll even take them after you crack 'em out (I'm a raw dog).
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