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Guess the Grade-- 1852-C Half Eagle (and who was Stanley Elrod?)

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
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I was taking a look at the Coin Rarities website. I saw the coin below. Does anyone care to guess the grade (no cheating). Also, I don't know much about Stanley Elrod. Does anyone have any further background? Here is the text describing the coin on the site:

1852-C Liberty Head Half Eagle
[PCGS Green Label] Elrod

Just a fantastic, original, beautiful, lustrous coin from the Stanley Elrod Collection - recognized by specialists in this field as the finest complete set of Charlotte gold coins ever assembled.

Quite possibly the finest known of this issue; unquestionably worthy of the finest collection.


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Always took candy from strangers
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are the lines, die pollish lines?
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  • Musky1011Musky1011 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭✭
    xf45

    No frickin clue though

    just a guess
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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Stanley Elrod, a Charlotte resident, was a sophisticated collector of Charlotte and Bechtler gold coins.

    He was aggressive when he found something that he really wanted and put together a gorgeous collection.

    He actually built the collection more than once, but the final collection was his best.

    Before the gold, he also put together a beautiful collection of Walkers.

    I actually do not know for a fact that he has passed away, but he would probably be in his nineties today.
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  • robecrobec Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since the lines don't go through the devices, I'd say yes to die polishing. EX-45 maybe AU-50 on a good day. With the pedigree, who knows.

    - Bob -

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With the luster present, I would say au53, maybe a 55?

    I looked at the coin again, and I believe the mushy strike is throwing my first impression off. I don't see any wear on the eagles wings where the detail is fuller. I think the coin is a 62.

    JJ

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  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Don't know much on these but I have looked at some 1853's as of late. To say the grading is loose on them is an understatement IMO. Based on that I'll go MS62/63 for this one.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,453 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64
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  • robecrobec Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't know much on these but I have looked at some 1853's as of late. To say the grading is loose on them is an understatement IMO. Based on that I'll go MS62/63 for this one. >>



    You are probably right. I was only going by the wear on the eagle's neck and Liberty's hair coils.

    - Bob -

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    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63
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  • robecrobec Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Could someone educate me on how these could both be 63's, or how the Charlotte is a 64 and the San Francisco is a 63.




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    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • N8N8 Posts: 505
    Man Longacre, you really are trying to catch up to Biddlesbank with the posting aren't you... image
    First get the knowledge, then the coins.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a very nice mint state piece. The strike is a bit weak but not at all bad for a "C".
    Looks like it has complete mint luster with die polish lines and minimal marks.
    I'll go with MS-64.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I agree MS64.
  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭
    MS-64 is correct, folks. It is in an older green tag PCGS holder. The strike is not full; those are die striations (note that they don't travel through the designs and the lettering), as on all the top specimens known of this date. If you saw the coin in hand, you would understand the grade. The original skin is intact; just a pleasing coin. Very tough to photograph and do it justice, though.
    John Agre

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I graded a solid MS-63+ coin, so its a 4, doesnt surprise me. A freind of mine who lives in robbins, NC has mentioned his name several years back and said that he had a fantastic collection of charlotte gold. He told me that the guy was a very private individual about his holdings. I beleive he has seen some of these coins several years ago. Next time I talk to him, I will ask him , and post back!

    jim
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    MS63
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    That is one impressive coin! Easily MS-64, but I can believe MS-65 just as easily.
    Tom

  • GATGAT Posts: 3,146 ✭
    The SSDI shows a Stanley Elrod died in Charlotte, NC on May 25, 2004 at the age of 90.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    It is a very nice coin. A bit proof-like makes photo'ing difficult.
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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    The coin is a gorgeous uncirculated coin and regardless of the grade, it may be the finest known.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • combatmailmancombatmailman Posts: 670
    Beautiful coin Longacre!! Do you plan on a purchase of such or is not for sale?
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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Beautiful coin Longacre!! Do you plan on a purchase of such or is not for sale? >>



    It is for sale by Coin Rarities (I have no ownership interest in it at all), but unfortunately Mrs. L would kick me to the curb if I bought it.
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Who wears the pants in your family, Michael?

    Let's put our foot down here!!

    If you want a coin, buy it and take the money out of Mrs. L's Tiffany's account, if necessary!!

    Come on, man. Buy it and worry about Mrs. L much later.

    If necessary, you can have her call me and I will explain the situation to her.

    That is, unless she has a huge trust fund and then we will have to be a bit more diplomatic.

    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

    eBaystore
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Who wears the pants in your family, Michael?

    Let's put our foot down here!!

    If you want a coin, buy it and take the money out of Mrs. L's Tiffany's account, if necessary!!

    Come on, man. Buy it and worry about Mrs. L much later. >>



    Julian is an experienced numismatist and his advice certainly seems reasonable to me.
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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Julian is an experienced numismatist and his advice certainly seems reasonable to me. >>




    Pot-stirrer.

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    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Man Longacre, you really are trying to catch up to Biddlesbank with the posting aren't you... image >>



    Dude, Biddlesbank is a total Longacre Wannabe™.
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    I'll give an AU-58.

    I don't really have a clue though. I don't know gold coins or Charlotte minted coins well.
  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    64, shot 65.
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  • DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535 ✭
    Who wears the pants in your family, Michael?


    We all know the answer to that - it's Mrs. Longacre! image

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  • REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Typical Charlotte. AU details, Net MS64!

    -RG
  • fcfc Posts: 12,796 ✭✭✭
    all i have to say is, nice coin. what a great piece to discuss.
  • slumlord98slumlord98 Posts: 1,180 ✭
    This must have been the first coin off the dies! How often is die polish seen so prominently on C and D gold?

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