2007 P WASHINGTON "UNBELIEVABLE" MISSING CLAD AND SMOOTHIE new pictures

SUMORADA

i was fortunate enough to find some GW smoothies in the past week and was going through some of them today to send in for grade and found this........i almost had a cardiac ....i looked down and saw copper........and it's a "smoothie to boot.........i can't believe it........here are some rushed pics, i'll post some better ones in the am,i just wanted to share this with you folks asap............
i was so thrilled finding the smoothies late the other night that never looked at the coins until now..........it weighs 5.8-5.9 g

DennisH

Cool coin!! And one thought comes immediately to mind:

YOU SUCK!!!

Congratulations on a GREAT error to begin with, but extra-special because it's a smoothie!!

WinPitcher

I agree you do suck.

;-)

Congrats of a great find.

Steve

coinman420

very nice find. i would get that certified.

DieClash

It's just amazing how many errors are coming out of the initial coins in this series.

SUMORADA

thanks and i will get it certified asap, just got an email from MIKE BYERS they want to do an article about it in the next issue.......still can't believe i found this

and the coveted"YOU SUCK" award in the same day.

Byers

Thanks, Eric. It will be in the next issue of Mint Error News Magazine (in the special section on Washington Dollar Mint Errors).

Rob85635

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is the error? I cannot tell by the pictures and I don't understand your post. Thanks.

Rob the Newbie

19Lyds

<< <i>Please forgive my ignorance, but what is the error? I cannot tell by the pictures and I don't understand your post. Thanks.

Rob the Newbie >>



The error is that the Manganese clad layer is missing. Very sweet find! Should be worth over a grand!

Eric, you definitely SUCK!

Rob85635

Oh, ok.

Thanks, I will have to look closer, still a bit confused but will figure it out. Where is the missing layer supposed to be? Is it the thin outter coating?

Rob the Newbie

Byers

It's only the 3rd reported Manganese Layer Missing on a Washington Dollar.

itsnotjustme

Never mind.... that is a different coin next to it.

SUMORADA

is the other one also a smoothie like this one?

Byers

No, the other two have edge lettering.

NumisOxide

WoW, cool find!

bluedog

I have a smoothy that has the same clad layer missing under the torch, as best shown in your photo DSC03590.jpg.The missing clad layer there is the exact same jagged shape and size. Is this the error you are talking about, or is the whole coin missing the clad and the area I mentioned a different error?

Is the error I described on my coin considered a significant error and worth sending for certification?

Thanks.

SUMORADA

the entire reverse is missing the clad layer, i'll have some better pics up this morning.............

FredWeinberg

I've seen two other Manganese Layer Missing Washington Dollars.

They are both at PCGS for grading -

One has the Reverse Layer Missing, and that coin will probably go up on
Ebay when it gets back (I don't own it).

The other one has the Obverse Layer Missing - I own that one.

I'm impressed with this one - a Missing Edge Lettering AND Outer Layer Missing !

Great combo error, and congrats on the find - I love hearing about such pieces
being found in rolls, etc......

CaptHenway

Fred....are you counting the one that was reported to Susan Headley?
TD

the4x4man

Is that coin somewhat grey colored? almost marble grain? I have one that I found like this. My coin is missing the layer on the obv. and rev. Real nice to look at.
You all say that it could be worth a $1000?
Have a good one.

FredWeinberg

Tom,

No, I was just talking about two that I've had
in hand - one I bought, the other was submitted
by the owner....

ChuckC

BING BING BING!! You suck!

combatmailman

I nominate you for the "You Suck" does not mean anything coming from me. Congrats on a cool find!!

speety

You suck!

mrpaseo

This picture shows the error the best for those of you that still are having trouble identifying.

Ray

bluedog

I see that the reverse is missing the clad layer. That's a great find! But I'm curious as to what you call the second additional large layer that is missing under the torch. Does that make it a three-error coin: No edge lettering, no clad reverse, no _whatever_ layer underneath the torch.

SUMORADA

thanks for the pics,i just got photobucket and put some new ones up.............

AskRaq

How can you tell for sure if the clad layer is missing (without being able to weigh the coin)? I found an incused edge (P mint) that looks similar to a 2000 Sac after it's been in circulation for 7 years... no shiny coat, copper colored - but not the super shiny copper like in the above photo.

SUMORADA

as stated in the original post, i did weigh it, 5.8-5.9, and if you look at all the pics you will see how thin the coin is next to an ordinary one.....

rottnrog

This one was just got back from NGC by a girl from Michigan.

Yachtsman

In March 2007, it was indicated that only about 5 samples of the Manganese Layer Missing on a Washington Dollar were reported. Now that it is about 6 months later, have there been many more reports of additional samples found? Does the PCGS (NGC) census report list this item? I could not locate it.
I have obtained a sample for my collection that was certified by NGC (2514944-001) from the girl from Michigan.
Its' photo is listed on this forum. My curiosity peaks at whether or not this mint error will end off as a single digit rarity. Appreciate any new information.
Regards,
Bruce

SUMORADA

Yachtsman, Welcome to the forum! Here is the one that started this thread, it's now in a holder,I have not heard of any missing both the edge lettering and clad layer like this one,and only heard of a couple missing clad! Here is a link that may help........http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.asp?IDArticle=459

Yachtsman

Thank you for the Welcome.

Congratulations on an amazing find! I would venture to say that you have obtained the “rarest” of the rare, and would be very surprised if another like specimen emerged. I was elated when I secured the sample that I obtained, and also was excited about the several smooth edge samples that I acquired, but your coin just towers over all these others with the combination of both mint errors. An additional bonus is that you possibly have the only existing sample of this error combination; therefore, it would be at the maximum level of rare. There can't be anything more rare than a sample of one in existence. You've got to be elated!
As you know, I am new to the forum and I do not want to appear out of line, but I have been reading all of the inputs and responses regarding this thread and it would appear appropriate for me to say, - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"You Suck". Congratulations on a top notch find, and I hope no other missing clad samples with or without edge letting emerge. Best of luck with this extreme find!
Regards,
Bruce

FLBuffaloHunter

I found a 2007-P GW missing reverse clad layer as well. I would say the total known population is ~10

Yachtsman

Hello FLBuffaloHunter,

Congratulations on a major find! You have a beautiful MS65!

A total population of about 10 is pretty darn good!

You have a Philadelphia Mint sample and I have a Denver Mint sample. Any idea where most of the errors originated?

How did you find your sample? I would guess searching through bank rolls?

It seems like both you and SUMORADA had the great fortune of finding your treasure while searching through the mint released population of Washington Dollar Coins. My search efforts yielded some die cracks, cuds, and not much else. So I had to search for my treasure on ebay, where I obtained my sample. I will say that it was very exciting to have won the auction, but it pales to the excitement and pleasure that you guys must have experienced actually finding your treasure during a search. Now that's real coin collecting! As far as I'm concerned, with congratulatory sentiments, you both suck.

Great Finds!

Best Regard,
Bruce

FLBuffaloHunter

<< <i>Hello FLBuffaloHunter,

Congratulations on a major find! You have a beautiful MS65!

A total population of about 10 is pretty darn good!

You have a Philadelphia Mint sample and I have a Denver Mint sample. Any idea where most of the errors originated?

How did you find your sample? I would guess searching through bank rolls?

It seems like both you and SUMORADA had the great fortune of finding your treasure while searching through the mint released population of Washington Dollar Coins. My search efforts yielded some die cracks, cuds, and not much else. So I had to search for my treasure on ebay, where I obtained my sample. I will say that it was very exciting to have won the auction, but it pales to the excitement and pleasure that you guys must have experienced actually finding your treasure during a search. Now that's real coin collecting! As far as I'm concerned, with congratulatory sentiments, you both suck.

Great Finds!

Best Regard,
Bruce >>


Thank you Yes, I found it roll searching and noticed the coin felt lighter than normal. A little over half as thick as a standard Presidential dollar. It takes alot of patience to search through over 10,000 Presidential dollars. I'm glad at least this time, it paid off As error coins are not shown in the population report, it's hard to tell how many have actually been graded, I only mention the examples I have seen for sale or heard about. It is definetly a rare error on dollar coins and what I would consider a true Mint error vs No edge lettering which I consider to be more of a variety since they are all the same and are so common. Having both on the same coin is definetly unique though!

rich

Congrats,Let Me Add... You Suck