TAURIC CHERSONESOS. Pantikapaion. Circa 330-200 BC. Æ 19mm (6.52 gm). Beardless head of Pan wreathed with ivy left left / Forepart of lion's head head left, fish below. SNG BM Black Sea 883; Anokhin 125.
Pantikapaion was founded by Greek colonists from Miletos in the late 7th century BC. Situated on the west side of the Cimmerian Bosporus, in what is now the Crimea, it achieved great prosperity through its exploitation of the abundant fisheries of the Straits and the export of wheat from the Crimea. This wealth is attested by its splendid gold coinage commencing in the mid-4th century and by the magnificently furnished rock tombs of its principal citizens in the 4th and 3rd centuries. Later, it was to become a regional capital of the kingdom of Mithradates VI of Pontus (120-63 BC) and later still the seat of the kings of Bosporus (1st cent. BC - 4th cent. AD).
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Kinda depends on what your definition of a "coin" is. People in the area around Lydia were apparently using kind of crude looking but uniform weight lumps of electrum (the natural alloy of gold and silver) for some means of exchange for a brief period before the trite of Alyattes I posted above. But that's kind of like exchanging a one ounce bar of gold for a TV today: It's more of a modified barter system. You're not buying the TV, you're exchanging it for the gold.
To me, and to many scholars the electrum trite is the first real coin. Issued by the government, uniform weight, bearing the royal seal or device. Some of them apparently carried his name, too.
Here's my trite next to my siglos. It was issued by Alyattes' son (some believe), Croesus. He mandated that the gold and silver be refined and issued coins in pure gold and pure silver with set weights and ratios. So some believe those are the first real coins:
There is electricity coming off of these pieces. You're holding one of the defining moments in human history in your hands. Coins. Money. Business, commerce, trade. The revolution began with these. It's awesome.
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Brett, that's a superb tetradrachm! CNG I assume. Speaking of which, I have their calendar on my wall, and the October coin is a Cromwell shilling that looks very much like yours, in fact I'm almost certain that it's the same coin.
Brett, that's a superb tetradrachm! CNG I assume. Speaking of which, I have their calendar on my wall, and the October coin is a Cromwell shilling that looks very much like yours, in fact I'm almost certain that it's the same coin. >>
Thanks Dimitri. Yes the Tetradrachm is a CNG coin. I recently sold most of my ancients but this was one of the three I kept.
You are also correct on the Cromwell shilling it's the one from the calender. October is the month of my birthday so it's an early present to myself.
I have an ancient Greek coin of Euboia, circa 3rd century BC, I believe. Got it from Ye Deade Kinge. Whatwazzit, O Dead King? I forget. A tetrobol? Dang, I gotta find the thing.
Anyway, this is not a picture of my coin, but it is a Euboia piece with the nymph on the obverse. Mine isn't as nice, but if it was, Dead King Aethelred probably would have kept it for himself and not sold it to me, right?
If my coin is really from the third century BC (I'll let you know when I find it), it would be my second-oldest coin yet. The oldest also came from Aethelred, out of his personal collection. It was a Corinthian stater with a pegasus on it. Beautiful little coin. Alas, I no longer have it.
And to think my lowly old coin is an infant in comparison...
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Pantikapaion was founded by Greek colonists from Miletos in the late 7th century BC. Situated on the west side of the Cimmerian Bosporus, in what is now the Crimea, it achieved great prosperity through its exploitation of the abundant fisheries of the Straits and the export of wheat from the Crimea. This wealth is attested by its splendid gold coinage commencing in the mid-4th century and by the magnificently furnished rock tombs of its principal citizens in the 4th and 3rd centuries. Later, it was to become a regional capital of the kingdom of Mithradates VI of Pontus (120-63 BC) and later still the seat of the kings of Bosporus (1st cent. BC - 4th cent. AD).
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<< <i>How much further back from Weiss's example can you find a coin? >>
Kinda depends on what your definition of a "coin" is. People in the area around Lydia were apparently using kind of crude looking but uniform weight lumps of electrum (the natural alloy of gold and silver) for some means of exchange for a brief period before the trite of Alyattes I posted above. But that's kind of like exchanging a one ounce bar of gold for a TV today: It's more of a modified barter system. You're not buying the TV, you're exchanging it for the gold.
To me, and to many scholars the electrum trite is the first real coin. Issued by the government, uniform weight, bearing the royal seal or device. Some of them apparently carried his name, too.
Here's my trite next to my siglos. It was issued by Alyattes' son (some believe), Croesus. He mandated that the gold and silver be refined and issued coins in pure gold and pure silver with set weights and ratios. So some believe those are the first real coins:
There is electricity coming off of these pieces. You're holding one of the defining moments in human history in your hands. Coins. Money. Business, commerce, trade. The revolution began with these. It's awesome.
--Severian the Lame
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This is now bookmarked and in my ANCIENTS folder.
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Brett, that's a superb tetradrachm! CNG I assume. Speaking of which, I have their calendar on my wall, and the October coin is a Cromwell shilling that looks very much like yours, in fact I'm almost certain that it's the same coin.
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Brett, that's a superb tetradrachm! CNG I assume. Speaking of which, I have their calendar on my wall, and the October coin is a Cromwell shilling that looks very much like yours, in fact I'm almost certain that it's the same coin.
Thanks Dimitri. Yes the Tetradrachm is a CNG coin. I recently sold most of my ancients but this was one of the three I kept.
You are also correct on the Cromwell shilling it's the one from the calender. October is the month of my birthday
so it's an early present to myself.
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Anyway, this is not a picture of my coin, but it is a Euboia piece with the nymph on the obverse. Mine isn't as nice, but if it was, Dead King Aethelred probably would have kept it for himself and not sold it to me, right?
If my coin is really from the third century BC (I'll let you know when I find it), it would be my second-oldest coin yet. The oldest also came from Aethelred, out of his personal collection. It was a Corinthian stater with a pegasus on it. Beautiful little coin. Alas, I no longer have it.
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Joel 3:10
“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” -Socialist Party presidential candidate Norman Thomas
“We Are All Socialists Now" - Feb 16, 2009 cover of Newsweek Magazine