NHL MVP?
JeffJ99
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Who will it be? Who are some of the top candidates? I think Brodeur's 41 wins and 12 shotouts make him a good choice. Living in Southern Cal, I've been watching Selanne all year, and he's had an MVP-caliber season leading the offense of a Stanley Cup contender. Could Crosby have a shot, as he's the league's leading scorer with 100 pts? And there's Roberto Luongo and Lecavalier, both having deserving seasons. How about Pronger?
Any thoughts?
Jeff
Any thoughts?
Jeff
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<< <i>Who will it be? Who are some of the top candidates? I think Brodeur's 41 wins and 12 shotouts make him a good choice. Living in Southern Cal, I've been watching Selanne all year, and he's had an MVP-caliber season leading the offense of a Stanley Cup contender. Could Crosby have a shot, as he's the league's leading scorer with 100 pts? And there's Roberto Luongo and Lecavalier, both having deserving seasons. How about Pronger?
Any thoughts?
Jeff >>
My thoughts are that it will likely go to Brodeur or possibly the NHL's golden boy, Crosby. Crosby has helped lead Pittsburgh to a good season though, so I don't think it's a bad pick at all.
Norris should go to Lidstrom yet again, Points and +/- leader... Likely the Calder to Malkin.
But since you started it, I'll have the last word.
Mentally defective, you say? He's a graduate of Yale and Harvard. And a former popular Texas Governor. He won reelection as governor by a huge margin, by the way. He was a successful businessman. He also served in the Texas Air Nat'l Guard. Oh, and did I mention he's a two-term President? If he's "mentally defective", what does that make John Kerry or Al Gore? What does it make you? Or the rest of us?
Show some respect and keep that junk of these boards.
Jeff
<< <i>Or the rest of us? >>
Clueless?
<< <i>Get your anti-Bush feelings out of here. This board is for sports talk.
But since you started it, I'll have the last word.
Mentally defective, you say? He's a graduate of Yale and Harvard. And a former popular Texas Governor. He won reelection as governor by a huge margin, by the way. He was a successful businessman. He also served in the Texas Air Nat'l Guard. Oh, and did I mention he's a two-term President? If he's "mentally defective", what does that make John Kerry or Al Gore? What does it make you? Or the rest of us?
Show some respect and keep that junk of these boards.
Jeff >>
Blow me there, newbie (or alt).
Just keep that trash off these boards. These are for sports talk.
And I am not a newbie to PSA.
<< <i>Hey, remember 50 million+ Americans voted for Bush twice. You're putting down and offending them. >>
I suspect many would rescind their votes then if they knew what we know now. If somebody takes offense, I suspect it's because they realize what a trout they voted for. BTW, I don't remember saying Kerry or Gore were special either. In fact, most politicians can kiss my
<< <i>Just keep that trash off these boards. These are for sports talk. >>
It's there and it's not leaving unless they force me too. Don't think I have to somehow listen to your orders. And my computer can beat up your computer...
<< <i>And I am not a newbie to PSA. >>
So that means... alt? Gotcha.
Vote for Hillary or whoever you want in '08. But I'm voting conservative as always. No matter who wins, I'll rejoice in knowing that Bush was President for 8 prosperous wonderful years in this great country. And I guarantee you he won't be pardoning 150+ criminals for no non-political reason on his very last day in office, as Clinton did.
About the original topic of who's the NHL MVP, I'll vote for Brodeur. Solid and steady as always. He has carried the Devils this year. But Crosby or Selanne would be good picks.
Jeff
<< <i>Whatever.
Vote for Hillary or whoever you want in '08. But I'm voting conservative as always. No matter who wins, I'll rejoice in knowing that Bush was President for 8 prosperous wonderful years in this great country. And I guarantee you he won't be pardoning 150+ criminals for no non-political reason on his very last day in office, as Clinton did.
About the original topic of who's the NHL MVP, I'll vote for Brodeur. Solid and steady as always. He has carried the Devils this year. But Crosby or Selanne would be good picks.
Jeff >>
Bush wont wait till the last day to pardon criminals because he's been doing it throughout his presidency. I would never vote for Hilary either. I'll vote for who I feel best represent my interests as usual, republican or democrat. And I'll only rejoice knowing Bush is done and never to be President again. Not that any of this really matters when discussing the current topic.
Yes, Brodeur has been amazing...
Jeff
<< <i>I guess we agree on two things- not to vote for Hillary and that Brodeur is an awesome goalie.
Jeff >>
LOL - good enough
Jeff
<< <i>Bush wont wait till the last day to pardon criminals because he's been doing it throughout his presidency. >>
Bush is so far behind the breakneck pardon pace set by Clinton at the same point in his presidency that that statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Not trying to start a debate since there really is no reasonable opposing view to a simple fact, just hoping to stop the spread of this particular nonsense. And this is leaving aside the more important question of how many pardons were issued to people with enough information to put the grantor of the pardon in prison; Bush still sits at 0, and waaaaaaay behind Clinton on that front. Love or hate either of these two for any reasons you want, but I have never heard a Democrat even attempt to justify Clinton's pardons; they are, and ought to be, an embarrassment to any Clinton supporter.
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<< <i>Bush wont wait till the last day to pardon criminals because he's been doing it throughout his presidency. >>
Bush is so far behind the breakneck pardon pace set by Clinton at the same point in his presidency that that statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Not trying to start a debate since there really is no reasonable opposing view to a simple fact, just hoping to stop the spread of this particular nonsense. And this is leaving aside the more important question of how many pardons were issued to people with enough information to put the grantor of the pardon in prison; Bush still sits at 0, and waaaaaaay behind Clinton on that front. Love or hate either of these two for any reasons you want, but I have never heard a Democrat even attempt to justify Clinton's pardons; they are, and ought to be, an embarrassment to any Clinton supporter. >>
It obviously was already dropped, so I assume you actually were looking for a debate?
My answer is again... Brodeur.
right..LOL .maybe he will wait to the second to last day. ALL Presidents do it, Reagan, Carter, Bush Sr. Ford...et.al.
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<< <i>My prediction is Luongo will win. Brodeur is great but the Devils have been good for years. The Canucks were a bad team last year. This year they added Luongo and now they're in first. Luongo's the guy, in my humble opinion. >>
They weren't great last year, but barely missed the playoffs. Auld was their main goalie last year and for the record, he sucks. Cloutier also played misserably for them last year. Further, Vancouver had been good for a while before last year so one off year doesn't mean total credit goes to Luongo because Florida stunk with Luongo for quite a while.
Goals Against Av - Brodeur 2.14 (2nd in league) / Luongo 2.35 (7th)
Wins - Brodeur 41 (1st) / Luongo 39 (2nd)
Save % - Brodeur .924 (2nd) / Luongo .920 (5th)
Shutouts - Brodeur 12 (1st) / Luongo 3
How can one not go with Brodeur over Luongo? Don't get me wrong, Luongo is a superb goalie but his season isn't anywhere near as good as Brodeurs IMO.
Brodeur is all-world, possibly the best to every play the game. I love him and would love to see him make team CAnada again in 2010. But I want Luongo as Canada's starter, he is now the best in the game and has taken a team that on paper isn't great to heights they couldn't have dreamed of with Cloutier the stiff in net.
And please remember I'm a Habs fan, I don't even like the Canucks, but Luongo is the man, and should be the MVP. (by the way my post about Souray was a joke, although I do think he's a great offensive defenseman but no way the MVP--I just like how they announce his name in Montreal when he scores a goal--SOOOUUUUURAAAAAAY!!!
Jay
<< <i>Dirtmonkey, the problem is the Devils are still the one team still using the trap, even though it's not supposed to be happening anymore (as you can see the scores of all the games have been coming down the past month and the refs are definitely more lax). So although Brodeur might be making as many stops per game as Luongo, he isn't making nearly as many quality stops. Brodeur reminds me alot of all the hype Roy got in Montreal although everyone knows Montreal's system (which was sort of a mystery in the 80's), was creating tremendous statistics for him each and every year. The weren't scoring alot of goals, but they simply weren't giving up chances. The Devils play the exact same way today and have played this way for years.
Brodeur is all-world, possibly the best to every play the game. I love him and would love to see him make team CAnada again in 2010. But I want Luongo as Canada's starter, he is now the best in the game and has taken a team that on paper isn't great to heights they couldn't have dreamed of with Cloutier the stiff in net.
And please remember I'm a Habs fan, I don't even like the Canucks, but Luongo is the man, and should be the MVP. (by the way my post about Souray was a joke, although I do think he's a great offensive defenseman but no way the MVP--I just like how they announce his name in Montreal when he scores a goal--SOOOUUUUURAAAAAAY!!!
Jay >>
Jay, I understand the system arguements as I used to watch Detroit play the lock for a few years. It helps and all, but the goalie still has to make the stops and Brodeur does it as good as anyone still does. Vancouver doesn't have a horrid team and were quite competitive prior to last year. As one can see, Cloutier had good stats for them a couple of years ago too. The team isn't exactly the same, but much of that nucleus still remains. I've seen both play quite a bit as I watch games whenever I can. I do understand that Luongo is good, but I think Brodeurs numbers are too superior to Luongos and system or not, that cannot be overlooked.
I guess this year will be the tell-tale, as both teams go in as favorites in the first round of the playoffs. I know Luongo didn't have the success with Florida he's having this year, but they had some really bad teams there.
I guess what I'm trying to say is stats don't always tell the story. (I'm off topic here), but wasn't it 91 when Welch won something like 27 games for Oakland and won the Cy Young even though Clemens had a sub 2.00 ERA? The voters went for the stats, but I think both of us would take Clemens that year or any other any day of the week. Luongo and Brodeur are alot closer than that but I think you get my meaning.
It will be fun to watch...
Jay
<< <i>You make some great points, the only arguement I have is look at all the goalies that were a part of good teams with good systems that honest to goodness are truly horrible goaltenders--remember the 3 year stretch Patrick Lalime had in Ottawa? I mean even look at Cloutier's stats in Vancouver, they're pretty darn good during the regular season. We both know the guy was awful when it came to the playoffs though.
I guess this year will be the tell-tale, as both teams go in as favorites in the first round of the playoffs. I know Luongo didn't have the success with Florida he's having this year, but they had some really bad teams there.
I guess what I'm trying to say is stats don't always tell the story. (I'm off topic here), but wasn't it 91 when Welch won something like 27 games for Oakland and won the Cy Young even though Clemens had a sub 2.00 ERA? The voters went for the stats, but I think both of us would take Clemens that year or any other any day of the week. Luongo and Brodeur are alot closer than that but I think you get my meaning.
It will be fun to watch...
Jay >>
I also feel you make some excellent points. I guess it's kind of the age old arguement when comparing players... you really can't
Yikes, sorry for the ramble... Anywho, there's still about 12 games left for the teams and maybe that will help provide a clearer winner. I do still say you cannot ignore Crosby. 100+ pts, Pens finally back in the playoffs. That team has a LOAD of young talent.
GO WINGS!!!
Anyways, I'm rambling too, it will be a good race nevertheless.
Jay
I probably would pick Crosby for MVP.
Jay - I remember many of the goals Roy used to let in against the Bruins in the play-offs when Andy Moog used to routinely outgoaltend him all the time. While Neely's goal from outside the blueline was soft, it was no worse than the first goal in that game, a weak wrister from the off wing. What about Game 7 in 1994. More than a few softies. With that said you will be hard pressed to find a goalie that did not have bad games in the play-offs. I know Roy's record in game 7's is not that great but in fairness, when his teams won the Cup he was dominant. In 1993 although the Habs got extremely fortunate that the good teams got bounced before they played them, (Bruins, Penguins) Roy was absolutely brilliant and outgoaltended everybody including Grant Fuhr by a wide margin.
Yes, I remember that first goal against Boston, but Roy would let one of those in a week during the regular season, you just never heard about it because the Habs were winning. It's also funny you brought up Moog, because I don't doubt Canadiens management thought about those years with the Bruins when they brought him to Montreal.
And yes, many goalies have had the bad series from time-to-time, but the difference was Roy was always considered the class of the NHL--he wasn't supposed to have so many terrible games. He did though, he was just fortunate to play his entire career on essentially a winning team every step of the way--you don't think he knew where that Habs team was headed in 95 when he demanded a trade? And to this day although we got robbed (we were forced to make the trade so how the Canadiens could have ever ended up winning a trade like that I'll never know), I was still happy to see him go.
He just always seemed to be a goalie that would let in the wrong goal at the wrong time (Lanny McDonald in game 6 at the Forum in 89--I mean McDonald was 40 YEARS OLD for God's sake)! He just gets too much credit for being the first real butterfly goalie (that had success as there were others before him), although he has been surpassed by many now. I still want to see his jersey hung in Montreal, but he wasn't the main reason that team was successful, it was the system much more than it was Roy.
Jay
MVP will be interesting this year. I'm sure a goalie will be in the top three. Remember how that was more or less unthinkable until Hasek won?? Someone here mentioned Malkin for Calder but there should be some love given to Paul Stastny. He just broke Selanne's rookie 17-game point streak and is second overall among rookies in points. The apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree with him as he's Peter's son and Anton and Marian's nephew.
<< <i>MVP will be interesting this year. I'm sure a goalie will be in the top three. Remember how that was more or less unthinkable until Hasek won?? Someone here mentioned Malkin for Calder but there should be some love given to Paul Stastny. He just broke Selanne's rookie 17-game point streak and is second overall among rookies in points. The apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree with him as he's Peter's son and Anton and Marian's nephew. >>
Stastny certainly should receive consideration. I simply figure Malkin will get votes over him because his team is headed to the playoffs. It usually seems to be the deciding factor when two players are close.