Sub help.... UPDATE: SUBMITTED 86 fl Jordan--- PSA 8!!

jamesgotpoorman

I want to do the right thing but what is right?

When you submit a card to PSA you have to declare its value. How do you do this fairly?


Examples that I have to send in:

1) 86 fleer jordan (pack fresh) at least 9 maybe 10 I bought it in a pack in 86 so it cost less than $.25. If I value at PSA 9 - $1200 ; at PSA 10 $6500


2)82 topps traded ripken PSA 9 @ $220 PSA 10 @ $1000

I think that they maybe 10's but would just as happy with 9's .

I want to send them tonight so I can get the grades by fri (ha ha!) or when ever they send me the grades. I will post when I get them.

Thanks in advance,

James

If PSA 10 they will be up for sale!!

Boopotts

You put down the amount that you would like to be reimbursed if PSA loses or damages the cards.

joemaggio

I always value my cards at what I think they're worth raw.

envoy98

I do the raw value as well.

cravetopps

<<<<<<<<You put down the amount that you would like to be reimbursed if PSA loses or damages the cards>>>>>>


exactly right, as always. Not sure what raw value means. Usually it means less than a graded card so this could be a mistake. If you think you're sending a PSA 8, you better know what the card is worth and don't rely on SMR alone. You could be under the value by a significant % if you use SMR as your only guide. You also need to insure the shipment for what you think it's worth as well because PSA ain't the only one who can lose your cards.

Mickey71

This is an excellent question. You should put the value of the card in the grade you think it should get. If I send in a 64 Mantle nm-mt I put $750. If you go by raw value it is about $300. I think the crazy question that people wonder about is does declared value influence grading? Also, if I declare a 52 Mantle for $50 that is in nm-mt and send it in a bulk submission- will they grade it. I would like some opinions on these last 2 questions.

jradke4

i dont think they will grade any 52 T Mantle at the bulk price. I think book value in almost any grade is over $75.

declared value for psa has two purposes. one it allows you to claim a value for insurance for transit and accidental damage. two it determines the service level that you need to submit it under. i think one of the reasons for this is it alerts them for the need to be careful with your package and items. two since you have to pay more for more expensive cards to be graded it gives them a hedge that they can bank in case of damage claims overall. kind of like your car insurance. rates are determined by the claims the company pays as a whole, not what they pay in claims for you. thats why your insurance almost never goes down even though you dont file a claim.

jamesgotpoorman

UPDATE:

<< <i> 86 fleer jordan (pack fresh) at least 9 maybe 10...... >>



I SUBMITTED IT TODAY 2/7/07. USED THE EXPRESS AND VALUED @$750(seemed fair) will updat e when recieved, graded, and photos.

Thanks for the input!!!!!

jimq112

<< <i>UPDATE:

<< <i> 86 fleer jordan (pack fresh) at least 9 maybe 10...... >>



I SUBMITTED IT TODAY 2/7/07. USED THE EXPRESS AND VALUED @$750(seemed fair) will updat e when recieved, graded, and photos.

Thanks for the input!!!!! >>



Good luck, you should know pretty soon!

jdip9

A variation of Mickey's question - If I were to send in a modern bulk submittal of exactly 100 cards, but include 1 or 2 cards from 1969 or 1970, will they not grade any of the cards? Or will they grade, but charge me the modern price for 98 cards and vintage price for 2 cards....totally screwing me over?

Wabittwax

<< <i>A variation of Mickey's question - If I were to send in a modern bulk submittal of exactly 100 cards, but include 1 or 2 cards from 1969 or 1970, will they not grade any of the cards? Or will they grade, but charge me the modern price for 98 cards and vintage price for 2 cards....totally screwing me over? >>



Actually they will do worse than that. Not only will the separate the 2 cards and charge you the higher price to grade them, but they will also tack on another $15 shipping charge to send those 2 cards back to you via registered mail. Trust me, don't try that.

jamesgotpoorman

5STAT

Wabbitwax is correct!! 1st and foremost, your order will be placed on the "problem rack".....it could take quite awhile to get anyone to look at it. When they finally get around to looking at it...you will be charged the normal price..plus shipping...and from THAT point ..they will grade the rest of the order.

I had an order 3 years ago that went into the problem pile..because of the "commons vs. minor stars" argument. It took close to 3 months to get the cards graded and back to me.

joemaggio

In November, I requested had free registry gradings for 1972 Baseball and 1971 Supers. They sent me one submission form with 7 lines on it (5 for the '72's and 2 for the '71 Supers). Of course, they later called me and told me that I couldn't combine the two and charged me an extra $15 for more S&H. The '72's were graded in a couple days and the '71 Supers took around six weeks.

jamesgotpoorman

1 1986 FLEER 57 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 8

Very disappointed I guess they are harder than I thought. I will see when the next ones pop.

jradke4

pack fresh doesnt always mean an 9 or 10. those are mint to gem mint. an 8 is nrmt-mt, which is at least what most pacl fresh cards should be. not sure how many subs you have sent in but unless you do extreme inspections its hard to say what it will come back between 8-10's. for some cards like a jordan or other value cards not many of us have 5 or so to screen. if you read the psa grading guidelines you will see how they judge between 8, 9, 10. the way i see it overall 8-10 are very similar...upon closer inspection (as they say) you can pick out the 9-10's....my gut says the difference between 9-10 is a crap shoot. i think you are more likey to get more 10's than 9's if the cards that are being graded are from the same set, you will probably get more 9's than 10's if yoiu send in a mixed batch of cards. i feel that 10's are just the luck of the draw.

overall i would be happy with the 8 that you got. however if you were hoping to sell it for the big bucks its too bad. just think how much you really paid for that card and it came back an 8.

i just sent some cards in from the national treasures and exquiste sets. these packs go for upwards of $400 a pack (with a few cards per pack)...none of them came back higher than an 8. thank god i didnt buy the packs...but these were pack fresh as well.

jamesgotpoorman

Got the card in 86 for a $0.25 pack! Just read the PSA grading guide and it might have had "fraying " corners if under 10X. Was hoping for the 10 but like you said great return on my money ($.25= $600?). This was my first sub and had high hopes. my next two that they have in the system I am hoping (should get) PSA 1-5. Subbed vintage cards , plus some modern ODD stuff ( topps Usfl & Mexican football).

Wondo

jradke4

james we all take a big reality check on our first subs. i know i did. my jordan came back a 7, had a slight round raised dot on it once i got it back and looked at it.

jamesgotpoorman

mikeschmidt

hard to tell the strength of the corners (particularly the top left), but the centering is a bit off....a strong 8, for sure; not sure if a 9 is warranted.

tdfitz

I think it was the off center cut that garnered the 8 for sure, without seeing the corners at high res like schmidty just mentioned.

CDsNuts

Centering looks 60/40 at best both ways- no chance at a 9. You're lucky it isn't a 7 or 9 OC. Nice card though.

If you want help with future subs, feel free to post scans of the raw card and we might be able to save you some frustration.

Lee

digicat

<< <i>Centering looks 60/40 at best both ways- no chance at a 9. You're lucky it isn't a 7 or 9 OC. Nice card though.

If you want help with future subs, feel free to post scans of the raw card and we might be able to save you some frustration. >>



Centerings actually a little worse than 60/40. The boundries for a 9 are 65/35. There's no way it's a 7.

The 8 is either from eye-appeal, or there's a little something more going on with the corners than are evident from the scan. You might want to drop $10 for a 10x loupe. It'll amaze you how much the human eye can miss. The graders use them, so you should too.

jradke4

8 or 9 still looks nice to me.

CDsNuts

You can say PSA states their 9 standards as 65/35, but how many 86/87 Fleer in a 9 slab have you actually seen with centering like that going both ways? I can honestly say I haven't seen any. They also state that a card can be 60/40 to be a 10, but there's no way you get a 10 submitting a 60/40 Jordan.

I think 8 is the perfect grade for this card, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in a 9OC or 7 slab. No way it ever gets a 9 even if the card was spotless except for centering. I've submitted a lot of pack-fresh 86/87 Fleer and PSA nails you every time if centering isn't close to perfect. It sucks that they can't be more coonsistent across all sets, but that's just the way it is.

I still think the card looks great, for what it's worth.

Lee

envoy98

I completely agree with Lee on this one. The 86/87 Fleers that aren't dead centered rarely make it anywhere near 9 holders. I sent in about 40 or so cards, luckily my Jordan was dead centered and got a 9. The rest were 7s and 8's with a few 9's and those were all very well centered. I have to believe it's an eye appeal thing on these cards. 60/40 centering on some cards doesn't look that bad (think 55 and 56 Topps baseball) 60/40 on these doesn't look so good, they always seem more off center than they technicallyl are. Like Lee said, "it's just the way it is". Nothing wrong with a legit Jordan in an 8 holder though.