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I see on Yahoo a new story, "US and Iraq forces to launch sweep of Sadr City". Geez nothing like letting everyone know ahead of time so they can go hide somewhere else. Why don't they print these stories after we have already started the mission?? Am I missing something??
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Ever since there was a thing called war and a thing called journalism - this crap has gone on.
Even during WWII, there were guys who printed negative or revealing crap about the military.
Now, how does the DoD and President handle that?
Disinformation - tho not considered ethical by some - it works.
So, they "leak" it out that they want to do this and that...
When, in truth, the real mission is no where near where the media thinks?
That's what I would do. Wasn't Reagan accused of leaking disinformation?
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Journalists should start comparing US homicides to Iraq war deaths. Would be a real eye-opener.
Anyone read the book BIAS by Bernie Goldberg? Rather interesting read regarding bias in the media.
OT, but a good rant, anyway, Sting.
<< <i>The media wants it to fail. Then it's easier to blame Bush. >>
Right-O. Because we all know that if those pesky communists at the NY Times just left the war alone this whole thing would have been wrapped up by November 2003.
<< <i>I see on Yahoo a new story, "US and Iraq forces to launch sweep of Sadr City". Geez nothing like letting everyone know ahead of time so they can go hide somewhere else. Why don't they print these stories after we have already started the mission?? Am I missing something?? >>
Post a link, please.
Of course we have been lied to at every turn by the people in charge. We have no reason for being there other than W trying to prove something to his daddy. Beause of W we are less safe, thousands of people are dead and we have gained absolutely nothing. I do wonder how we will measure success. I am all for peace and stability in the middle east, but I do not see it happening anytime soon. Rumsfeld's de-Baathification policy was a disaster, as was his attempt to wage war on the cheap. This administration had absolutely no plans for post-war Iraq. They refused to listen to the military leaders re what was needed, and now the soldiers and their families are paying the price.
"Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be," McCain said. "We've wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives."
<< <i>McCain now admits it is b/c he is running for President and he knows most people hate this war. >>
Beat me to it.
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<< <i>I see on Yahoo a new story, "US and Iraq forces to launch sweep of Sadr City". Geez nothing like letting everyone know ahead of time so they can go hide somewhere else. Why don't they print these stories after we have already started the mission?? Am I missing something?? >>
Post a link, please. >>
Still waiting for a link. I did a few searches and came up empty.
Edited to say: I come here for a release from the daily grind! I know, I know, don't read it, but...
Did we all forget why we're fighting this war? We're going after the Al Qaeda who were BACK by Saddam Hussein. We have incontrovertible proof that it was Hussein and his terrorists who attacked us on September 11th and we have documented proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Of course, you'll never hear about this from the "Surrender Monkeys," who want us to pull out and have the terrorists follow us home.
When are the people of the United States going to realize it's the job of the media to work for the government instead of trying to bring it down?
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<< <i>I see on Yahoo a new story, "US and Iraq forces to launch sweep of Sadr City". Geez nothing like letting everyone know ahead of time so they can go hide somewhere else. Why don't they print these stories after we have already started the mission?? Am I missing something?? >>
Post a link, please. >>
Still waiting for a link. I did a few searches and came up empty. >>
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Thanks.
Did you actually read the article? The Colonel in charge of the damn region told Reuters what they were going to do. Sounds like the military WANTED the article printed. It's got NAMED sources. Maybe there are good reasons to make it clear the military is coming into Sadr City. I sure don't know. You probably don't, either. Even if one of us did, neither know as much as Colonel Billy Don Farris. If you have a beef, it's with him, not with the press outlet that reports what he told them ON THE RECORD.
"We have conducted special operations in Sadr City for some months but this will be the first time we will launch full-scale operations there and the first time we will have a permanent presence there," said Colonel Billy Don Farris, coalition forces commander for Sadr City and Adhamiya neighborhoods.
"There will be no sanctuaries in Iraq. We are going to go to every building and every house and incrementally clear the area. We will target any group that attacks Iraqi and U.S. troops," he told Reuters.
the media is NOT responsible for bush's actions.
julen
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<< <i>We have no reason for being there other than W trying to prove something to his daddy. >>
i heard one of the oscar nominees on nightline a few nights ago, some young dude that starred in that movie "the notebook".. anyway, he was talking about going to Africa where he's making a movie about child soldiers in uganda, and how the world hasnt done anything about 25,000 children who have died or been kidnapped, and he says "the world has done nothing" for these kids.. he thinks we should "go through it with them" and wants to "put people in the shoes" of these kids..
ok, im sure many other hollywood-types probably agree with him.. we need to help these people..
they would probably also say we had no business taking sadamm hussein out of power and trying to do something in Iraq, where thousands and thousands of people were tortured and killed by him..
brilliance.. and possible hypocrisy..
everyone wants the U.S. to help the world, until we actually get there..
<< <i>I see on Yahoo a new story, "US and Iraq forces to launch sweep of Sadr City". Geez nothing like letting everyone know ahead of time so they can go hide somewhere else. Why don't they print these stories after we have already started the mission?? Am I missing something?? >>
<<< Am I missing something?? >>>
Yea, the Open Forum.
I strongly feel we have the finest military in the world - and the smartest. If they leaked out or announced to the press about this mission, it's because they wanted to for various strategic reasons.
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Did we all forget why we're fighting this war? We're going after the Al Qaeda who were BACK by Saddam Hussein. We have incontrovertible proof that it was Hussein and his terrorists who attacked us on September 11th and we have documented proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Of course, you'll never hear about this from the "Surrender Monkeys," who want us to pull out and have the terrorists follow us home.
When are the people of the United States going to realize it's the job of the media to work for the government instead of trying to bring it down?
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT BABY LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!
I salute President George W. Bush!
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Exactly what evidence do you have that Al Qaeda was backed by Hussein? You have none because there is none. Hussein hated Al Qaeda. Do you read, or just parrot whatever you hear on Faux News?
I also salute President Bush, and I need only one finger to do it.
<< <i>not to b political here.... but
the media is NOT responsible for bush's actions.
julen >>
Nobody said they were. The point is that a story like this would have been akin to aiding the enemy in the old days. You're not suppose to advertise your attack plans to the world. Sometimes the military does make PR announcements like this when they deem that their intentions are abvious and it's necessary to get local cooperation, but for the most part, the media has been eager to one-up each other by showing how much they know. Sometimes they'll do unbelievably stupid things. How many people remember Geraldo being kicked out of the Iraqi theater when he gave away the 101st's position and even drew a map in the sand while on camera?
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Did we all forget why we're fighting this war? We're going after the Al Qaeda who were BACK by Saddam Hussein. We have incontrovertible proof that it was Hussein and his terrorists who attacked us on September 11th and we have documented proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Of course, you'll never hear about this from the "Surrender Monkeys," who want us to pull out and have the terrorists follow us home.
When are the people of the United States going to realize it's the job of the media to work for the government instead of trying to bring it down?
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT BABY LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!
I salute President George W. Bush!
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Exactly what evidence do you have that Al Qaeda was backed by Hussein? You have none because there is none. Hussein hated Al Qaeda. Do you read, or just parrot whatever you hear on Faux News?
I also salute President Bush, and I need only one finger to do it. >>
If you honestly believe that Hussein in no way whatsoever supported/condoned Al Qaeda's actions then you should wake up to the world you live in. Just because you hate someone doesn't mean you won't join forces for your own benefit. Don't forget that the US teamed up with Russia in WWII to help defeat Hitler.
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<< <i>not to b political here.... but
the media is NOT responsible for bush's actions.
julen >>
Nobody said they were. The point is that a story like this would have been (only it isn't, as the military released it) akin to aiding the enemy in the old days. You're not suppose to advertise your attack plans to the world. (unless you're the military and see some reason to do so) Sometimes the military does make PR announcements like this when they deem that their intentions are abvious and it's necessary to get local cooperation, but for the most part, the media has been eager to one-up each other by showing how much they know. (examples, please. It's easy to say the media does this, it's another to show proof.) Sometimes they'll do unbelievably stupid things. (example, please.) How many people remember Geraldo being kicked out of the Iraqi theater when he gave away the 101st's position and even drew a map in the sand while on camera? (on Fox News, the home of the "the media/liberals are losing the war" argument >>
<< <i>Surely you do not consider Geraldo to be media. He is a self-promoting jacka**. >>
That he is, but like it or not, he IS the media. The fact of the matter is, journalistic responsibility has gone out the door in modern times. They (comprehensively) will publish ANYTHING regardless of the consequences just to get the "story" out there.
And by supported I don't mean he paid for it, I mean he toasted to our fallen civilians.
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<< <i>not to b political here.... but
the media is NOT responsible for bush's actions.
julen >>
Nobody said they were. The point is that a story like this would have been (only it isn't, as the military released it) akin to aiding the enemy in the old days. You're not suppose to advertise your attack plans to the world. (unless you're the military and see some reason to do so) Sometimes the military does make PR announcements like this when they deem that their intentions are abvious and it's necessary to get local cooperation, but for the most part, the media has been eager to one-up each other by showing how much they know. (examples, please. It's easy to say the media does this, it's another to show proof.) Sometimes they'll do unbelievably stupid things. (example, please.) How many people remember Geraldo being kicked out of the Iraqi theater when he gave away the 101st's position and even drew a map in the sand while on camera? (on Fox News, the home of the "the media/liberals are losing the war" argument >>
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I'd be more than happy to provide an example. Do you recall the article published by Newsweek last year regarding an unsubstantiated rumor that a copy of the Koran was flushed down the toilet as part of an interogation in Q-Bay? The end result caused a wave of immediate attacks on civilian contract workers in which some where brutally killed.
How about the "respected" newspapers like the Boston Globe publishing article of GIs raping Iraqi women based on pictures taken from a p0rn site?
<< <i>Sometimes they'll do unbelievably stupid things. (example, please.) >>
I was referring to my Geraldo example.
<< <i>Oh yeah, how about Dan Rather jumping the gun on the "Bush Viet Nam" papers. Maybe he should have checked first? >>
I think I missed the part of these stories in which they share military intelligence in advance of troop movements or actions.
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<< <i>Oh yeah, how about Dan Rather jumping the gun on the "Bush Viet Nam" papers. Maybe he should have checked first? >>
I think I missed the part of these stories in which they share military intelligence in advance of troop movements or actions. >>
Hello? Geraldo example?
<< <i>Oh yeah, how about Dan Rather jumping the gun on the "Bush Viet Nam" papers. Maybe he should have checked first? >>
Dan Rather made a mistake and lost his job. George Tenet ovesees a CIA that manufactures intelligence and gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom. A hopelessly incompotent administration kill thousands and nothing happens. We are attacked by Al Qaeda and respond by attacking Iraq. Where is the logic in that? What are we trying to accomplish? Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum made no plans for the aftermath of the war. Their strategy is to blame everyone else. You can rip the media all you want, but the fact is that we were led to war based on lies and liars. I personally do not trust Dick "five-deferment" Cheney or George "draft dodger" W. They are despicable human beings who led us to war for the sake of ego and profits.
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<< <i>Oh yeah, how about Dan Rather jumping the gun on the "Bush Viet Nam" papers. Maybe he should have checked first? >>
Dan Rather made a mistake and lost his job. George Tenet ovesees a CIA that manufactures intelligence and gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom. A hopelessly incompotent administration kill thousands and nothing happens. We are attacked by Al Qaeda and respond by attacking Iraq. Where is the logic in that? What are we trying to accomplish? Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum made no plans for the aftermath of the war. Their strategy is to blame everyone else. You can rip the media all you want, but the fact is that we were led to war based on lies and liars. I personally do not trust Dick "five-deferment" Cheney or George "draft dodger" W. They are despicable human beings who led us to war for the sake of ego and profits. >>
Once again, you're bringing politics into this. The war is a separate issue (by way, we attacked Afghanistan after 9/11, not Iraq).
My point is, the media only cares about the media. "It" does not care who is in the white house.
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an unpopular president comes to the conclusion that the most popular presidents were in office during wartime. so to raise his image, he declares war.....on Canada. funny stuff with a lot of not-so-biased commentary. the president (Alan Alda) reminds me of Bush. i think our mission is complete in Iraq. come home.....please?
----and for the record, i'm glad we ousted Hussein, but there are MUCH bigger battles to be fought........but then, what do i know? believe the media? believe the government?? heck, i'd believe Homer Simpson over those 2 choices......
Exactly p_A!
If we stay out it's... Why doesn't America help us?!?!
or
If we go in it's... The Americans are baby killers?!?!
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I dont believe that most things are "leaked" unless purposely...I would think military secrets are kept well under wraps.
feel free to use one on each hand.
<< <i>In all fairness to both political parties, I think the media wants the US to fail no matter who is the president. It's a better story that way. >>
That is utter nonsense.