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Black Presidential Dollar
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I saw searching through rolls of Washington dollars and found a black one. I got this coin out of a BU roll from a local bank. This coin is just like it came from the bank roll, trust me if I was trying to pull a scam I wouldnt be bothering with the experts at PCGS I would be on ebay. I'm just wondering if I can spend the money to get this coin graded without getting it body bagged, I know its from the bank roll and want to grade the coin. Please let me know if pcgs will grade it or body bad it?
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They are "sintered planchets"
from being mis-annealed in the
annealing process.
They have a black, but lusterous
surface to them.
Same thing happens to other denominations,
especially State Quarters and Nickels.
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
Russ, NCNE
-Paul
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-Paul
JJ
Do they bring a premium
The quality of these prez coins is an absolute freakin' joke. Edge lettering debacles, black coins. They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. One would think error coins from all denominations would be slipping thru the cracks with this sort of quality control. I have to wonder how soon the articles will be running in coin mags about the poor quality control coming out of the US Mint. Someone outta lose their job.
<< <i>What I want to know is WHO THE HELL IS IN CHARGE OF THE FREAKIN' US MINT?????
The quality of these prez coins is an absolute freakin' joke. Edge lettering debacles, black coins. They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. One would think error coins from all denominations would be slipping thru the cracks with this sort of quality control. I have to wonder how soon the articles will be running in coin mags about the poor quality control coming out of the US Mint. Someone outta lose their job. >>
Well maybe the workers realized that nobody was going to use them anyway.....
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<< <i>What I want to know is WHO THE HELL IS IN CHARGE OF THE FREAKIN' US MINT?????
The quality of these prez coins is an absolute freakin' joke. Edge lettering debacles, black coins. They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. One would think error coins from all denominations would be slipping thru the cracks with this sort of quality control. I have to wonder how soon the articles will be running in coin mags about the poor quality control coming out of the US Mint. Someone outta lose their job. >>
Not that I like the errors, but is it really a big deal? They still spend, don't they? Granted, it looks like we don't know how to mint coins to the rest of the world, but besides us collectors, who really cares?
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I still cant see them, Is it me??
<< <i>What I want to know is WHO THE HELL IS IN CHARGE OF THE FREAKIN' US MINT?????
The quality of these prez coins is an absolute freakin' joke. Edge lettering debacles, black coins. They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. One would think error coins from all denominations would be slipping thru the cracks with this sort of quality control. I have to wonder how soon the articles will be running in coin mags about the poor quality control coming out of the US Mint. Someone outta lose their job. >>
The inmates are running the asylum
<< <i>What I want to know is WHO THE HELL IS IN CHARGE OF THE FREAKIN' US MINT????? The quality of these prez coins is an absolute freakin' joke. Edge lettering debacles, black coins. They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. One would think error coins from all denominations would be slipping thru the cracks with this sort of quality control. I have to wonder how soon the articles will be running in coin mags about the poor quality control coming out of the US Mint. Someone outta lose their job. >>
Tell us about your accomplishments running multi-billion-dollar production facilities. And then add the challenge of reporting to govt burocracy...I think the mint's track record is pretty good.
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I still cant see them, Is it me?? >>
No, I still cant see them either!
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I never said a thing about the mint's track record, I simply stated that the Mint is royalling screwing up the Presidential Dollars and that the quality control SUCKS.
What the hell does THIS have to do with ME running a "multi-billion-dollar production facility? When was the last time you heard of circulation strike pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, halves and dollars being minted with so many errors and varieties in the first week of release? Never. A majority of these rejects should have never made it out of the mint's doors, correct????
Maybe those will work for you
You support my point in that this is unusual and the mint's track record is pretty good.
I don't criticise organizations unless I think I know how to do better.
Suppose every error that Ford made was put on ebay as a "FMC Error". How do you think they would look...and I wouldn't want anybody following me around with a video camera posting all my daily errors. The mint works in a fishbowl and generally the quality is good or else errors wouldn't be so expensive.
I do admit that with all the multitude of different offerings in the past few years, especially the quarters, there seem to be more errors than when they were just "sticking to the knitting" in the 40's thru 80s with just a few varieties of coinage. Indeed, startup is an error likely situation.
In the case of these dollars, there appears to be a glitch with the 2 step process. The number found so far is maybe high, maybe low. It also is not at all clear if it has been corrected yet. We don't know the story at all...but recall the story of the 55 ddo cent that became public years later...
As for the black dollars, I haven't seen one yet but Fred says it happens from time to time with lots of coins...
I just don't see enough evidence to declare the mint incompetent yet...
--Jerry
Nice color.
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<< <i>What I want to know is WHO THE HELL IS IN CHARGE OF THE FREAKIN' US MINT????? The quality of these prez coins is an absolute freakin' joke. Edge lettering debacles, black coins. They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. One would think error coins from all denominations would be slipping thru the cracks with this sort of quality control. I have to wonder how soon the articles will be running in coin mags about the poor quality control coming out of the US Mint. Someone outta lose their job. >>
Tell us about your accomplishments running multi-billion-dollar production facilities. And then add the challenge of reporting to govt burocracy...I think the mint's track record is pretty good. >>
I knew that we could count on you, Jerry.
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<< <i>I see it now, I see it now... My black nickel is similiar.It's hard to see the lettering, but the coin looks uncirculated in hand. >>
I remember finding numerous black 1954S nickels about 16 years ago. It was very common with some of the 1950's dates. I found entire rolls of them.
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<< <i>What I want to know is WHO THE HELL IS IN CHARGE OF THE FREAKIN' US MINT????? The quality of these prez coins is an absolute freakin' joke. Edge lettering debacles, black coins. They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. One would think error coins from all denominations would be slipping thru the cracks with this sort of quality control. I have to wonder how soon the articles will be running in coin mags about the poor quality control coming out of the US Mint. Someone outta lose their job. >>
Tell us about your accomplishments running multi-billion-dollar production facilities. And then add the challenge of reporting to govt burocracy...I think the mint's track record is pretty good. >>
I knew that we could count on you, Jerry. >>
I try to be consistent.
<< <i>They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. >>
Why do you say that? The judgement on quality control for circulation coins is "Are they identifiable? Why they work in the machines and hand to hand transactions? Can they be handled by the automated counting and rolling machines?" If they pass those questions then they pass quality control for circulation coins. What you are wanting is for coins struck for circulation coin quality to also pass collector coin quality control. That is unreasonable.
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<< <i>They must really have absolute ZERO quality control for circulation coins. >>
Why do you say that? The judgement on quality control for circulation coins is "Are they identifiable? Why they work in the machines and hand to hand transactions? Can they be handled by the automated counting and rolling machines?" If they pass those questions then they pass quality control for circulation coins. What you are wanting is for coins struck for circulation coin quality to also pass collector coin quality control. That is unreasonable. >>
Bingo...
Plus they did a bang up job on the 20th Ann ASE's Sets...
These errors have set the place for Prez Dollars into the future...
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<< <i>I've recieved reports of these.
They are "sintered planchets"
from being mis-annealed in the
annealing process.
They have a black, but lusterous
surface to them.
Same thing happens to other denominations,
especially State Quarters and Nickels. >>
Weren't there a whole lot of 1959-P nickels that came out of original rolls a nice, glossy black? SOme dealer used to promote them as "Black Beauty" errors? As I recall they were caused by improper (i.e., too long) annealing.
TD
They were called "Black Beauties"
for the 1958 nd 1959 dated Jefferson
Nickels like this.
They have also occured on State Quarters;
mostly Mississippi and Illiniois !!
(I'll show you some at Charlotte or Central States)
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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<< <i>I've recieved reports of these. They are "sintered planchets" from being mis-annealed in the annealing process. They have a black, but lusterous surface to them. Same thing happens to other denominations, especially State Quarters and Nickels. >>
Weren't there a whole lot of 1959-P nickels that came out of original rolls a nice, glossy black? SOme dealer used to promote them as "Black Beauty" errors? As I recall they were caused by improper (i.e., too long) annealing. TD >>
I'd be interested to understand the annealing process used by the mint. Perhaps it could also be caused by oxygen intrusion. Annealing is likely performed in an inert environment. --Jerry
<< <i>The inmates are running the asylum
hum, this is an idea. maybe they outsourced production to prisons, so now the inmates make PresBucks, instead of license plates. looks like they're using the same planchet!
Why?
You can save time a lot of goofing around by just flushing your money down a toilet. No fuss, no bother.
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