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Murphy

2006P-1DO-017 - Class-4 EDS

commoncents05

Way to go Murphy!!!! GREAT FIND!!!

-Paul

woodwalker

Cool! I've been looking ever since this was first posted. So far I'm still looking.

JRocco

Congrats Murph

Hey---if your selling at those prices on C.D.'s site---I am a buyer for every one you find

seanq

I'll tell ya what, the more I look at those pics, the more I think that is Class V doubling, with a pivot point around K-1:30, and not Class IV as listed.

In Class IV or offset hub doubling, all of the doubling is in the same direction and the same strength - the 1936 DDO#1 and the 1983 DDR#1 (both cents) are excellent examples of this type of doubling. Looking at LIBERTY on the 2006 the doubling is to the southeast, while on the date it is either to the northeast or southwest depending on which you consider the primary design. Also, the doubling on LIBERTY is much stronger than the doubling on WE TRUST.

In Class V or pivoted hub doubling, the die misalignment is caused when the hub rotates around a point on the rim between impressions. Good examples of this sort of doubling are the 1995 DDO#1 and the 1958 DDO#1. The doubling mimics rotated hub doubling except it is strongest at the point immediately across from the pivot point, with the strength decreasing as you get closer to it. A pivot point at K-1:30 or maybe K-2 would cause the strongest doubling on LIBERTY, with moderate doubling on IN GOD and the date, and the least doubling on WE TRUST, just as seen on the 2006 variety.

If I have the chance, I'll try to go into Photoshop and create some layered images to mimic the 2006 DDO-017, I just hope I can get a pic with the proper resolution to show the doubling.


Sean Reynolds

aballein

thats a monster right there..considering the process of minting and all....

DieVarieties

"Hey---if your selling at those prices on C.D.'s site---I am a buyer for every one you find"



Talk about a rip!

tggr

You need to change your name to EAGLE EYE.
Great find.

seanq

TTT. I'd really like someone else versed in doubled dies to chime in on the Class IV vs Class V question. Mostly I'd like to know if I'm tilting at a windmill.


Sean Reynolds

RedneckHB

ziggy29

<< <i>You need to change your name to EAGLE EYE. >>

You'd probably getting a call from Rick Snow's lawyer...

gonzer

In this day and age? What a find!

Murphy

Sean, class 4 EDS. I'm not qualified to call either the Class of doubling or the die state. But that's what it looks like to me and Bob Piazza who is qualified. However, we both could be wrong. John Wexler, Robert Neff and Billy Crawford will be examining it in a few short days and then we'll be able to get a broader consensus.
I understand an article is being reserved for release next week in a popular coin publication. If and when that happens I will post here for those who are interested in it.
I thank you all for your kind words of support! Yahoo! Look and ye shall see. They are out there.

DieVarieties

<< <i>Sean, class 4 EDS. I'm not qualified to call either the Class of doubling or the die state. But that's what it looks like to me and Bob Piazza who is qualified. However, we both could be wrong. John Wexler, Robert Neff and Billy Crawford will be examining it in a few short days and then we'll be able to get a broader consensus.
I understand an article is being reserved for release next week in a popular coin publication. If and when that happens I will post here for those who are interested in it.
I thank you all for your kind words of support! Yahoo! Look and ye shall see. They are out there. >>



Thanks Murph -- I look forward to seeing your coin.

As far as to specific Class (may even have a combination of Classes) -- honestly, whatever it is ... it's still a beautiful DDO and with the single-squeeze method should not have happened.

seanq

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As far as to specific Class (may even have a combination of Classes) -- honestly, whatever it is ... it's still a beautiful DDO and with the single-squeeze method should not have happened. >>



Agree 100%, Billy. And not to disparage coppercoins.com, but if you go through the effort of listing it with an associated Class, you should make sure it is the right one. I think the initial observation of Class IV doubling was based on a picture of LIBERTY, when to properly attribute such things you need to look at the entire coin.


Sean Reynolds

DieVarieties

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<< <i>
As far as to specific Class (may even have a combination of Classes) -- honestly, whatever it is ... it's still a beautiful DDO and with the single-squeeze method should not have happened. >>



Agree 100%, Billy. And not to disparage coppercoins.com, but if you go through the effort of listing it with an associated Class, you should make sure it is the right one. I think the initial observation of Class IV doubling was based on a picture of LIBERTY, when to properly attribute such things you need to look at the entire coin.


Sean Reynolds >>



Sean --

I'm interested to hear if the Mint has anything to say about this once its been published in the media press. Or will they play the spin game?

JRocco

Interesting observations Sean.
The only problem I have with calling this one Class 5 doubling is the doubling I see on TRUST. If the pivot is at K-1:30, I can't see how the T shows the secondary hubbing it does.
I would love to see more pics of this monster (HINT---BILLY ) to see, but Class 4 or 5 is still beyond what the mint will probably admit to.

DieVarieties

"I would love to see more pics of this monster (HINT---BILLY )"

You may not want to see my photos. I was told by a well-known, famous, many years in the hobby, professional attributer that, and I quote: "My photos are no good." unquote.