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This is one of my favorite coins, an Eliasberg, and a bit of a mystery.

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1703. ... Latin legend, Give us Peace, Oh Benign Christ incorporates a chronogram date

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    Theres a sheep on that coin! I have no idea what it is

    -Paul
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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Theres a sheep on that coin! I have no idea what it is

    -Paul >>

    The Lamb of God.

    The coin itself is from Nurnberg Germany. 3 ducats.
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can anybody on the liteside deciper how to read the date?
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • dcamp78dcamp78 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭


    << <i>Can anybody on the liteside deciper how to read the date? >>



    Where the heck is the date? If it's the marks in the center of the reverse,
    you'll have to tell me what they are because I can't see them in
    the pictures.
    Big Dave
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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Can anybody on the liteside deciper how to read the date? >>



    Where the heck is the date? If it's the marks in the center of the reverse,
    you'll have to tell me what they are because I can't see them in
    the pictures. >>

    The date is deciphered by chronogram.image
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at the large letters in the obverse legend. They comprise the date, in Roman Numerals.

    BTW, WRONG FORUM! image
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Look at the large letters in the obverse legend. They comprise the date, in Roman Numerals.

    BTW, WRONG FORUM! image >>

    Oh I know you know....just that it might be of interest to others. This following answer given by another forum member on the darkside.


    image 1703. ... Latin legend, Give us Peace, Oh Benign Christ incorporates a chronogram date

    I see the MDCCIII incorporated in the legend, but I don't understand how we are to know the order of the digits of the date. Can somebody explain this? >>



    Probably doesn't matter so long as the total adds up.... CMDICII = MDCCIII (regardless,in practice, Roman numerals are listed in decending order of value.... so just take the symbols and arrange them that way........

    C= 100 M=1000
    M=1000 D= 500
    D= 500 C= 100
    I= 1 C= 100
    C= 100 I= 1
    I= 1 I= 1
    I= 1 I= 1

    1703 1703


    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    He's a dealer, trying to get us hooked on his smack (Darkside Coins) trying to lure us into his evil ways... I know from experiance, I have been there, I am there...


    Hello my name is Ray and I'm a darkside collector...


    All together now..... "Hiiiiii Ray"

    image
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He's a dealer, trying to get us hooked on his smack (Darkside Coins) trying to lure us into his evil ways... I know from experiance, I have been there, I am there...


    Hello my name is Ray and I'm a darkside collector...


    All together now..... "Hiiiiii Ray"

    image >>

    Hiiii Ray...who me get people hooked on the darkside, no I just want to illustrate a chronogram.image
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    I find it hard to believe that any lightside collector can not appriciate a darkside coin every now and then, after all most are cheaper, many are older, and most are obtainable... then again where is the adventure in that...

    Well, if you collect because you enjoy history, then any coin has history, even the church hill image

    Thanks for sharing,
    Ray
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it is a 1702, not 1703.

    There are only two I's, not three of them.
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The II with the roof and floor closed in (that was a hint) does not infer a Roman numeral.

    What do you think such II represents on this coin?

    I have my thoughts on this but I insist it is not numeric. It has a much more important meaning and message!

    Any darkside coin with the Eliasberg provenance is NEVER OT here! image
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The II with the roof and floor closed in (that was a hint) does not infer a Roman numeral.

    Oreville - I'm confused. Where is the "II"?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MrEureka: The II is in the middle of the last word on the obverse at 3:00.

    Note that the construction of that symbol is different than the two separate I in that the center of the symbol is not filled in to make it a pure I but instead two separate II joined together! but with a full floor and a full roof connecting them.

    That is not a I nor a double II in the context of this coin. It is the kingdom of God in which Christ now resides as per the symbolic representation of this coin.
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Note that the construction of that symbol is different than the two separate I in that the center of the symbol is not filled in to make it a pure I but instead two separate II joined together! but with a full floor and a full roof connecting them.


    Well, I do see that the third "I" is different than the first two, but I'm still unconvinced. We need an expert to chime in.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085 ✭


    << <i>Theres a sheep on that coin! I have no idea what it is-Paul >>



    A relative of Lambchop maybe?

    image
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  • dcamp78dcamp78 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭
    So, is the date represented by the capital letters as follows: CMDICII ?

    Big Dave
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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So, is the date represented by the capital letters as follows: CMDICII ? >>

    Yes I believe it is the total of those Roman Numeral letters when added up (CMDICII = 1703).
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • dcamp78dcamp78 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭
    Okay, I went to this conversion page: Roman Numeral converter
    and entered the number and it says 1503. Your coin might be 200 years older than thought.

    BTW - thanks for the chronogram lesson. Hadn't seen one of those before...

    Big Dave
    -------------------------
    Good trades with: DaveN, Tydye, IStillLikeZARCoins, Fjord, Louie, BRdude
    Good buys from: LordMarcovan, Aethelred, Ajaan, PrivateCoinCollector, LindeDad, Peaceman, Spoon, DrJules, jjrrww
    Good sale to: Nicholasz219
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Okay, I went to this conversion page: Roman Numeral converter
    and entered the number and it says 1503. Your coin might be 200 years older than thought.

    BTW - thanks for the chronogram lesson. Hadn't seen one of those before... >>

    Thanks for the converter. C=100, M=1000, D=500, I=1, ( CMDICII added up =1703)
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • dcamp78dcamp78 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Okay, I went to this conversion page: Roman Numeral converter
    and entered the number and it says 1503. Your coin might be 200 years older than thought.

    BTW - thanks for the chronogram lesson. Hadn't seen one of those before... >>

    Thanks for the converter. C=100, M=1000, D=500, I=1, ( CMDICII added up =1703) >>



    So the Roman numeral converter doesn't work correctly?
    Big Dave
    -------------------------
    Good trades with: DaveN, Tydye, IStillLikeZARCoins, Fjord, Louie, BRdude
    Good buys from: LordMarcovan, Aethelred, Ajaan, PrivateCoinCollector, LindeDad, Peaceman, Spoon, DrJules, jjrrww
    Good sale to: Nicholasz219

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