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What's Considered A "Mint Error?"

NICK72NICK72 Posts: 120
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What all would be considered a Mint error according to PCGS? Thanks for any info! Peace out.
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    in what context are you asking? any (noticable and significant) aspect of the coin that was not the way it was meant to be issued. error is not the same as variety, which is caused by different dies striking the coins (thats where VAM's and such come from). thats the best i can do without you being more specific.

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  • NICK72NICK72 Posts: 120
    I don't know how I can be more specific. "What is considered a Mint error" is the only way to ask the question. How many "errors" can there be?
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ugh, mint errors!

    I can tell you that Planchet Lamination is considered a mint error and one that demands a premium. Want to know how I can tell you this?

    At the coin show I went to today I found a grand total of 2 half dimes that were acceptable and I was prepared to purchase. Unfortunately BOTH of these half dimes had Planchet Lamination errors and were priced accordingly with very hefty premiums. In the case of one the coin went from a $300 half dime to a $1000 half dime. I walked from that show with zero half dimes.

    ARG!
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>How many "errors" can there be? >>



    There are hundreds of different error types. That's why he asked for more specificity.

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  • coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭
    there are many. pictures are worth a thousand words?
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    these are some that i have found. we need pictures to help you.
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    If you're asking because you're not sure what the difference is between errors and varieties, like me up until yesterday, varieties include the common terms doubled die, repunched mintmark (rpm), overmintmark (omm), and maybe another one I can't remember.

    Errors, on the other hand, are everything else. And that's a lot. So, to make it a little easier, if not totally precise, if it isn't one of those things above, it's probably an error.

    Like this post.
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  • NICK72NICK72 Posts: 120
    Would rotated reverses be more specific?

    I love those pictures BTW!!! Thanks everybody!
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  • coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭
    yes it would, how rotated in degrees? 10? 20? what year coin? mintmark? denomination?
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  • NICK72NICK72 Posts: 120
    This is how the reverses of the coins look in the slab;

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    The obverse is normal and looks as it should on the front of the slab.
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's a definition I've been using:

    VARIETY – A variation in the die(s) which will cause all coins struck by that die pair to appear different than the normal coinage. Often called a die variety.

    ERROR – A variation in the planchet and/or striking that causes a non-repeatable error. Examples: clipped planchet, off-center, broadstrike, brockage, wrong planchet, multiple strike. Non-repeatable error means that each coin from the set of dies will not have the same variation.

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  • coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭
    ok, that one on the left looks about 15 degrees. the other one looks about the same. i would say it would have a nice premium if it had it on the label. i think you would have to re-submit it under error service.
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  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    "What's Considered A "Mint Error?"
    these days?......virtually anything the mint says...or does!
  • loro1rojoloro1rojo Posts: 266 ✭✭✭
    There is no way to tell which die is rotated in those Silver Eagles. How do you know that its not the obverse the die rotated?

    Anyways... I think that the rotation of those dies is within mint tolerance, and would not be considered an error.
    -Gabe
  • IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975 ✭
    Buy this book (it explains and classifies mint "errors"):

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  • NICK72NICK72 Posts: 120
    IGWT, Thanks for the book idea. image
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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would consider a "Mint Error" to be a coin that has been struck with distinguishing, distinctive, and differential features.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really like that St. Gaudens error. The Mint usually took greater care minting the higher denomination coins, and errors like what you show are consiidered scarcer to find.

    Pete
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    The book that was suggested is a GREAT read that not only tells about errors, but also the minting process and is very informative.

    -Paul
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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    Off Center
    Mis-Aligned Dies
    Off Metal (Worng planchet)
    Mule (One obv, Different reverse)
    Struck Through
    Clashed Dies (Debateable, but PCGS will designate it)
    Filled Dies (Variation of struck through)
    Lamination Errors
    Double Struck (or more)
    Cuds
    Brockages
    Capped Dies
    Trial Strikes
    Missing Edge Lettering (In Vogue!)
    Double Edge Lettering
    Broad Struck
    Partial Collar
    Missing Layers
    Rotated Dies
    Blank Planchet (??)

    I'm sure there are more, but this is a good start.
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  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    Any coin that is not MS or PR 70 has errors, if it was error free it would be a 70
  • NICK72NICK72 Posts: 120


    << <i>Any coin that is not MS or PR 70 has errors, if it was error free it would be a 70 >>



    Wow, you dug this one up, LOL.

    Thank you all for the responses.
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  • TACloughTAClough Posts: 1,598 ✭


    << <i>Here's a definition I've been using:

    VARIETY – A variation in the die(s) which will cause all coins struck by that die pair to appear different than the normal coinage. Often called a die variety.

    ERROR – A variation in the planchet and/or striking that causes a non-repeatable error. Examples: clipped planchet, off-center, broadstrike, brockage, wrong planchet, multiple strike. Non-repeatable error means that each coin from the set of dies will not have the same variation.


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    Rich >>



    I like the above definition, just wish PCGS would go by it.image The 1982(P) Kennedy half with over polished dies caused the "no - FG" coins for that year. The polished dies "caused all coins struck by that die pair to appear different than the normal coinage." PCGS will only grade the 1982(P) under the ERROR program, not the VARIETY.image
  • RichErrorsRichErrors Posts: 37
    Many believe an error can only be made UP TO the Striking process (Press). Others believe an error can be made anywhere in the US Mint before it leave the building.

    There are many types of errors, some more collectable than others, some are Minor , while others are considered Majors and demand higher prices. Eye appeal, grade and severity of the error play important roles.

    While filled dies in most cases are considered minor and are fairly inexpensive. Off Metals & Dbl. Denominations are highly sought after and command higher prices.


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