I just found a Class-4 2006P doubled die cent.

Murphy

Windycity

Yep... that's a doubled die. No doubt about it.

commoncents05

I agree, a very nice doubled die. There is clearly a valley between the two indicating it is not machine doubling, but the real thing. How many did you find?

-Paul

pharmer

Congrats. That's very nice, dramatic even. Nice images, too. Is it new, do you think?

DieVarieties

Super!!! Congratulations Murphy!

Murphy

Thanks, I found it in a roll of circulated pennies, so that's the only one I have. It is a new variety.

johngerman

Real nice find there. That "G" in "GOD" is hammer sweet. Just goes to show it pays off to pay attention sometimes.

DieVarieties

Murphy -- That looks like a Class I rotated hub doubling. This will be major news. How in the world is single squeeze doing a Class I?????????

tincup

Sweet! Would be nice to find an early die state.... looks like a pretty wide separation.

pharmer

Really, goosebumps here. I hope you let everyone attribute it, Billy, CONECA, Chuck and Wexler. Then on to CPG!

Murphy

Thanks John. Billy, I posted it at Coppercoins.com so maybe Chuck can answer that for us, lol.

JRocco

WOW Murph---awesome

That is a really nice clean example.
I sure looks like a rotational doubled die also not just a Class 6...Like Billy said, how the heck did this one happen

GREAT FIND

DieVarieties

2006 BU rolls just jumped in price!!!!!!

Glad I went to the bank today and got $100 circulated cent rolls to search. The doubling on LIBERTY is especially strong!

coinman420

awesome, i thought the mint said this could not happen anymore?

JRocco

<< <i>2006 BU rolls just jumped in price!!!!!!

Glad I went to the bank today and got $100 circulated cent rolls to search. The doubling on LIBERTY is especially strong! >>



You made me laugh here Billy---I just cracked open one of my 2006 bank rolls already....

Murphy

Haven't examined it all that closely. But I just noticed doubling in the form of good separation and notching in Lincoln's bow tie - this coin is awesome. I can't wait to send it to someone.

DieVarieties

I hope that sometime I might get a chance to examine it. Please keep me in mind.

JRocco

Hey Murph,
I ran over to Chuck's site and after drooling a bit more saw that you put up a full obverse pic...

Could you post that pic here to show everyone how visible this doubled die is without magnification?

DieVarieties

I second JRocco -- please post ALL THE PICS YOU WANT. I want to drool some more!!!!!!!!!

Murphy

Billy, you will certainly get a chance to examine this coin.

Here's your look at the whole obverse John:

JRocco

Look at that spread on LIBERTY.......

AMAZING...

DieVarieties

Dang!!! Even the full obverse I can see the nice doubling on LIBERTY!!! I've got to get me one of these.

Can't wait to see what the Mint has to say about this!!!!!!!!

Murphy

I'm not making any more pics tonight, but after looking at Lincoln again I can see some things I definitely want to photograph....like his bow tie and the back of his neck and below his bottom lip. Those places are deformed. I'm not that good at taking pics as you can probably tell but I'll try to get what I can tomorrow. This really does look like rotational hub doubling. I think maybe the pins fell out of their hub, lol.

COINB0Y

Wow! you can see it easily!

Great Find!

DieVarieties

Murph -- I also noticed in your photos I can see the separation line running along the edge of the inner rim. That is an indication of a traditional hub doubling not associated with the single-squeeze process.

cladking

Dumfounding.

I suppose it was inadvertantly hubbed a second time. It will probably be fairly tough since even
though around a million were made, most will be lost before they are found. Attrition on these
coins is staggering and they'll be so hard to find that most will end up leaching out of landfills first.

seanq

That is one incredible coin. Let's see how all those people who went nuts over extra leaves and speared bison react to a truly sensational die variety like this one.

Murph, where are you located? The 1995 DDO was discovered in the town next to my home, and many other examples wre found in this area plus a couple of very specific locations (Florida and one other which I forget). Of course, that was in February of 1995, so only a fraction of the mintage had been issued. This one may wind up being very difficult to locate in any quantities.

Congratulations, I hope you like seeing your name in the papers!


Sean Reynolds

Murphy

Thanks guys.
Sean I live within the Eighth Federal Reserve District and because I pulled this DDO from Fed-wrapped circulated rolls, they could have been released anywhere within the District or even beyond, anytime during 2006. BTW, If anyone else were to find one of these, I would be very intertested in knowing about it.

richbeat

Darn!!!!! Another Philly. That leaves me out of the loop.

cladking

<< <i>That is one incredible coin. Let's see how all those people who went nuts over extra leaves and speared bison react to a truly sensational die variety like this one.





Sean Reynolds >>





Sure it's a neat variety but it's no extraleaf quarter. This one is far more difficult
to see and was most probably inadvertant making it purely a variety. It was also
probably made in very large numbers and everyone knows a coin with a mintage
in the millions will always be common.

DieVarieties

Now that I have had a chance to study your photos more closely, I have changed my mind and believe it's from a Class IV offset hub doubling. The doubling on the letter "Y" of LIBERTY is just as strong as on the letter "L". All of the letters of LIBERTY are just about a full letter bar spread.

On a Class I the doubling would decrease as one goes toward the center of the rotation point. However, with the "Y" just as strong as the letter "L" and looking also at the letter "E" of WE it's looking more like a Class IV type to me.

Murphy

Billy, I think you're right about the doubling being the same spread all accross LIBERTY. Here's more pics for you.

DieVarieties

Murph, with this new group of pics, I feel confident it's a Class IV offset hub doubling.

That spread on all the letters of LIBERTY is very, very strong. With this coin showing this strong of doubling on all the letters of the motto, LIBERTY, and especially the date -- you have a MAJOR find here!

Remember the 1995 cent DDO and all the media press? Well -- it's fixing to start again.

Have fun Murph and enjoy the ride!

Thank you for sharing with us. It's a treat.

tincup

<< <i>

<< <i>That is one incredible coin. Let's see how all those people who went nuts over extra leaves and speared bison react to a truly sensational die variety like this one.





Sean Reynolds >>





Sure it's a neat variety but it's no extraleaf quarter. This one is far more difficult
to see and was most probably inadvertant making it purely a variety. It was also
probably made in very large numbers and everyone knows a coin with a mintage
in the millions will always be common. >>



It looks like it may be a later die state with plenty of softness, etc. Just wait till someone finds an early die state..... that will be a beauty!!

kevinstang

Did a little searching myself of two rolls of BU 06's I picked up last year (have about 8 more rolls to go), but found 4 coins with some type of doubling on the liberty-primarily seen on the "R" and "T" - the "T" 's extra thick top being most noticable. Also looks noticable on the "B" somewhat.




I didn't see any other signs of doulbing as coins here shown have, would these be from a later die state, or are they just machine doubling?

BECOKA

Very interesting stuff.

So what is the difference between a double die and machine doubling and why is this so rare now?

Murphy

Some doubled dies are rare, others are not. The 1969S is rare, the 1995P is not.

As for what's the difference...

A doubled die is caused because the die is doubled and imprints its doubled image upon all the coins that it strikes thus causing the coins to be doubled too.

Common machine doubling is caused by worn out machinery. The dies aren't doubled but if they bounce around by a worn hub or whatever, they cause doubling in such a way that it leaves a ghost image or flat surface where it shouldn't be. That's why many people are fooled by machine doubled coins on eBay. They just see a flat surface where it shouldn't be and just assume it's valuable, which is usually not the case at all. The seller may describe it as being a doubled die - machine doubled. But it's not a doubled die at all, it's a doubled coin. Difference between good hub doubling and bad machine or strike doubling

Whether this cent turns out to be rare or not remains to be seen. People may say "oh there's millions of them out there somewhere", but until they actually show up in TPG Population Reports and other places, we can't speculate.

Kevin your cent is a doubled die cent and may have a number assigned to it by the various attributors. You should arrange to send it to someone who can tell you what you have. Visit coppercoins.com and check out their variety list for 2006P. Also could try Billy Crawford.
Check this out.

seanq

<< <i>Very interesting stuff.

So what is the difference between a double die and machine doubling and why is this so rare now? >>



Machine doubling is a form of damage, caused by the die when it releases from the face of a newly struck coin just after the strike. A doubled die is caused during the die manufacturing process, when a misalignment between hubbings causes two or more distinct impressions of design elements into the die face. The doubled design elements will show distinct separation, including notching of serifs on letters. Also, unlike machine doubling, which is the result of a single strike of the dies, every coin struck by a doubled die will have the exact same doubling.

The reason doubled dies are now so rare is that the Mint uses a "single-squeeze" method of hubbing working dies. A doubled die requires at least two impressions from the hub, and most of the dies used on modern coins (since 1997 or 1998, IIRC) are created with a single impression. Now some varieties have been identified since the Mint went to single-squeeze hubbing which resemble doubled dies. It is believed that these are caused by a single-squeeze hub that begins slightly misaligned against the die face, and then suddenly shifting or snapping into position under pressure. Several such varieties are already known for 2006 cents.

What makes this particular doubled die so unusual is that it has all of the earmarks of a doubled die created under the old multiple-hubbing process. The spread of the doubling, the strong separation between the impressions, and the direction of the doubling all strongly suggest that this die received multiple hubbings. Given everything we know about the Mint's manufacturing processes, this coin simply should not exist... yet there it is.

Simply put, it is the most important variety discovery since the high/low leaf WI quarters. It will be very enlightening to hear the Mint's reaction to it.


Sean Reynolds

seanq

<< <i>Thanks guys.
Sean I live within the Eighth Federal Reserve District and because I pulled this DDO from Fed-wrapped circulated rolls, they could have been released anywhere within the District or even beyond, anytime during 2006. BTW, If anyone else were to find one of these, I would be very intertested in knowing about it. >>



A quick observation from the map in the link above - the entire state of Arkansas is in that district. WalMart national headqurters are in Bentonville, AR, and thousands of businesspeople from all over the country fly into and out of that area every day. If this variety found its way to that part of the 8th Fed District, then those coins are everywhere, and no matter where you live you have a chance of finding one.


Sean Reynolds

seanq

<< <i>Did a little searching myself of two rolls of BU 06's I picked up last year (have about 8 more rolls to go), but found 4 coins with some type of doubling on the liberty-primarily seen on the "R" and "T" - the "T" 's extra thick top being most noticable. Also looks noticable on the "B" somewhat.



I didn't see any other signs of doulbing as coins here shown have, would these be from a later die state, or are they just machine doubling? >>



Kevin,

Your coin is a perfect example of the type of "doubled die" created by the single-squeeze hubbing process. As I alluded to earlier, there are probably two dozen or som listed vrieties like your coin for 2006 cents.

Compare Kevin's pictures of LIBERTY to those of the OP's coin, and it should be immediately clear that the type of doubling is radically different. You simply cannot create that much separation in a single squeeze operation.


Sean Reynolds

GoldenEyeNumismatics

very nice, WTG!

Is that a newly discovered DD?

Murphy

Yes GoldenEye, this is a new variety. It is on its way to experts now for attribution and picture taking for the media. As far as I know this is the only example found so far, although others certainly will show up.