IMAGINE PULLING THIS OUT OF A PACK!

frankhardy

WOW!

Cut Auto

Downtown1974

That is incredible! The seller got a nice price for it too. Now he can buy a nice used car or something.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector

Thats one card if I pulled I would have to keep.

DayneDrain

if i pulled this card it would be on ebay in a heartbeat...theres no way thats worth keeping when you can get that type of money for it!

almo

XanaduNow

For something like that I think even I would have to contact an auction house. I'm not sure I'd put that on ebay with their complete disregard for seller protection. Hope it works out for both parties involved.

Arthur

Volver

Amazing for sure. The best card I have pulled is a Jim Piersall auto, I know how exciting. If I pulled that card I couldn't sell it fast enough. Thanks for sharing

CDsNuts

I wonder if Washington or Jefferson every dreamt about the day their signatures would be cut and pasted onto a piece of cardboard and inserted into a package with pictures of sportsmen 300 years later.

Lee

cravetopps

"For something like that I think even I would have to contact an auction house. I'm not sure I'd put that on ebay with their complete disregard for seller protection. Hope it works out for both parties involved.

Arthur"


Absolutely 100% agree, Arthur. I bet they would have doubled their money. Amazing pull for sure. wow.

jskirwin

<< <i>I wonder if Washington or Jefferson every dreamt about the day their signatures would be cut and pasted onto a piece of cardboard and inserted into a package with pictures of sportsmen 300 years later.

Lee >>



I doubt it. I'm sure they would have been pleased to learn that the nation they built lasted that long, and stayed pretty much true to the principles they laid out for it.

However I still question putting the documents these came from to the knife. I feel the same way about dropping game played bats and uniforms into the shredder too.

Stingray

I wonder what documents were destroyed to obtain those autographs??

stown

<< <i>I wonder what documents were destroyed to obtain those autographs?? >>



Exactly my thoughts

ToppsCo1lector

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<< <i>I wonder if Washington or Jefferson every dreamt about the day their signatures would be cut and pasted onto a piece of cardboard and inserted into a package with pictures of sportsmen 300 years later.

Lee >>



I doubt it. I'm sure they would have been pleased to learn that the nation they built lasted that long, and stayed pretty much true to the principles they laid out for it.

However I still question putting the documents these came from to the knife. I feel the same way about dropping game played bats and uniforms into the shredder too. >>



I don't believe Thomas Jefferson would be proud of the direction of our current nation, same with George Washington. Those two men were true Libertarians, and I honestly believe the would not support a lot of what the current gov't holds as policies(and I am not just speaking of the current administrations but including it with many previous ones). The nation is not what it was set out to be, and here's one of my favorite Jefferson excerpts...

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."


Let's not forget Washingtons parting words on the US venturing into foreign policy on Sept 19th, 1796.

Stone193

Personally?

I think the card is unattractive - I think it woulda been better to have each guy separate - Knuckles woulda done a far, far better job!

mike

nightcrawler

In my opinion that card is nasty ugly...

For a couple of autos that are so important to American history, ya think they could have put them in something a bit more generous with the good looks

Thanks for sharing.



EDIT TO ADD: Ya, like Stone said

frankhardy

I agree about the looks, however, to me, the looks are secondary. The primary thing is the importance of the people that penned their names. I agree, also, that the documents should have been kept intact. However, they were not my documents, so I can say for certain that I would love to pull something like that. I would probably have to change my underpants, though.

themetalsign

I sure would like to pull that card. I could go on a nice vintage buying spree with that.

storm888

<< I wonder what documents were destroyed to obtain those autographs?? >>

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Having been the purveyor of many historical documents,
I have heard that sentiment expressed very often.

Purists and historians may decry cut-sigs, but the
broadest-market prefers them to intact docs. All such
sigs are cut from docs that are private-property; a
valued precept of libertarian thought.

I would like to own the subject card and many others
like it. But, I also understand that the folks whose
signatures appear thereon, were the owners of
enslaved-humans; hardly a libertarian principle.

cravetopps

"Purists and historians may decry cut-sigs, but the
broadest-market prefers them to intact docs. All such
sigs are cut from docs that are private-property; a
valued precept of libertarian thought."

theoretically defensible practice, yes, but very troubling and ethically challenged to say the least. Wonder when they'll start cutting up art masterpieces? How about the Egyptian Hieroglyphics "Cuts". I bet the Louvre could make a bundle chipping pieces off the "Venus de Milo". And don't forget the "Holy Shroud Threads".

We're seeing the tip of the iceberg. I still can't get my arms around cutting up anything from a baseball legend much less something of historical significance which should have been endowed to the American People to begin with.

It's sad that this is what it takes to get hobbyists engaged in card collecting.

Brian48

Libertarian rights rights and free enterprise aside, I think it's a damn shame that historically significant documents are destoyed like this for the almighty dollar.

XanaduNow

<< <i><< I wonder what documents were destroyed to obtain those autographs?? >>

////////////////////////////////

Having been the purveyor of many historical documents,
I have heard that sentiment expressed very often.

Purists and historians may decry cut-sigs, but the
broadest-market prefers them to intact docs. All such
sigs are cut from docs that are private-property; a
valued precept of libertarian thought.

I would like to own the subject card and many others
like it. But, I also understand that the folks whose
signatures appear thereon, were the owners of
enslaved-humans; hardly a libertarian principle. >>



Storm, have you read A People's History?

Arthur

CDsNuts

I think it was the Declaration of Independence. I can't wait til Lincoln's cut sig from the Emancipation Proclamation is inserted into the 2007 Rookie-Traded packs.

Lee

scooter729

For a while now, historical documents have been getting cut up to sell, not only just the signatures, but any of the writing. A quick ebay search will show you documents from Lincoln, Washington and others where you can buy TWO WORDS written in the handwriting of one of these gentlemen. For instance, you can get a piece of paper that Washington wrote "of the" on, and it'll sell for $200. So by breaking it up into hundreds of pieces, the seller gets more. I'm not agreeing with it (in fact, I despise it), but that's the theory.

As for the Washington signature, the sig is almost definitely from a land survey which Washington filled out earlier on in life, probably from the 1760s. He filled out a lot of these, and many of these are cut up for the "two word" sales. His sig on this card, although written in his hand, is not his true signature as if he would be signing a document. You can see that version of his signature here. The version on the card, albeit his name in his writing, is the less desirable of the versions.

All that said, I'd kill to have that card, and would keep it.

larryallen73

This is getting too deep for me... but I would sell the card if I pulled it! I think my best autograph pull was a Ty (or was it Coy?) Detmer in some worthless college football box. I don't open much modern stuff.

RipublicaninMass

<< <i>Amazing for sure. The best card I have pulled is a Jim Piersall auto, I know how exciting. If I pulled that card I couldn't sell it fast enough. Thanks for sharing >>



lol ME too (piersall auto) from the topps archives set!

NickM

If I pulled that card, I'd sell it, and use the proceeds to buy full documents with signatures from Washington, Jefferson, and as many other famous historical figures as I could get for the money. [I expect I could get John Adams, Lincoln, and Ben Franklin as well.]

Nick

storm888

"Storm, have you read A People's History?"


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No. But, I am very familiar with its contents.

If your inquiry implies that the conclusions easily drawn from APH
must be biased because of the author's leanings, I neither agree
nor disagree. The book says what it says.

The fact is that the "new kings" - the autographs of whom are the
subject of this thread - were the initial primary-beneficiaries of their
own military and political actions. By 1976, at the latest , those benefits
had clearly become widespread enough to declare them universal to
every American; thus, our collective gratitude and admiration for/of
the signatories is completely warranted.

XanaduNow

<< <i>"Storm, have you read A People's History?"


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No. But, I am very familiar with its contents.

If your inquiry implies that the conclusions easily drawn from APH
must be biased because of the author's leanings, I neither agree
nor disagree. The book says what it says.

The fact is that the "new kings" - the autographs of whom are the
subject of this thread - were the initial primary-beneficiaries of their
own military and political actions. By 1976, at the latest , those benefits
had clearly become widespread enough to declare them universal to
every American; thus, our collective gratitude and admiration for/of
the signatories is completely warranted.


>>



No implications at all. While I don't always agree with Mr. Zinn I believe that book should be mandatory reading in all schools if for no other reason than it encourages multiple viewpoints and researching to draw your own conclusions.

Arthur

cravetopps

you guys should finish your discussion of Zinn on marxist.com.

Jdurg

I can't recall where I read it, but I believe that Topps obtained these signatures from documents that were nearly destroyed from other processes and the signatures were really the only clearly legible writing present on the forms. So in other words, they didn't come from "whole documents". They came from remains of documents that would have been completely destroyed anyway.