VAM pickup, questions on a couple.
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I picked up a nice 1882 O VAM 17A today. Typical O mint strike, I grade it at MS 63 because of a scratch on the obverse. Good luster, very clean cheek, good feather detail. The 17A has these great diagnostic obverse cracks. A question for the VAM team: is this as rare as Vamworld says? The page's author says just one known mint state specimen. I have two now.
An 1880 P with a filled lower loop in the first 8 of the date, no other significant features. Any idea what this is?
An 1884 P with lots of clashing on both sides, no letter transfers I can find. This clash under the eagle's neck should be diagnostic but I can not find anything. Ideas?
An 1880 P with a filled lower loop in the first 8 of the date, no other significant features. Any idea what this is?
An 1884 P with lots of clashing on both sides, no letter transfers I can find. This clash under the eagle's neck should be diagnostic but I can not find anything. Ideas?
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I do believe that's VAM-35. See the Big VAM book photo, it's in there.
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<< <i>An 1880 P with a filled lower loop in the first 8 of the date, no other significant features. Any idea what this is?
I do believe that's VAM-35. See the Big VAM book photo, it's in there. >>
Thanks I will take a look.
I have what strongly appears to be the same coin Rick does. I initially thought it might be VAM 35, but the picture in the big VAM book only has a fraction of the "stuff" inside the loop that my coin has, and apparently Rick's coin too. (The photo below doesn't show as much as is really there in person.) Could we be talking about different die states here?
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I have what strongly appears to be the same coin Rick does. I initially thought it might be VAM 35, but the picture in the big VAM book only has a fraction of the "stuff" inside the loop that my coin has, and apparently Rick's coin too. (The photo below doesn't show as much as is really there in person.) Could we be talking about different die states here?
Dennis:
That is a much better photo of the same coin I have.
Rick
More than anyone perhaps other than Leroy, you know what is truly scarce in the VAM universe. Is the 1882 O really as rare as Vamworld tells us? I only see one coin sold in your book of transactions.
Rick
I don't really have a handle on what's rare, only on what's selling. They could be the same thing, or there could be a big difference.
Yep, I still have only one sales records for the '82-O VAM 17A. That raises three (at least) possible explanations:
-- Really rare so there aren't any to sell.
-- Really tough to identify, so they haven't been found yet.
-- Really common so no one is putting them up for sale.
I'd trust Rob and Jack's rarity estimate on this coin, with my lack of sales data points serving as another bit of evidence to support it.
A raw MS63.
A PCGS MS64.
A NGC MS64.
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<< <i>I've sold three since May 2005.
A raw MS63.
A PCGS MS64.
A NGC MS64. >>
Thanks, that seems more probable than ultra rare. Can you give a ballpark on value?
Thanks Dennis.
I know what you mean. I had one with large chips in both '8's, lower loop on first '8', upper loop on the second '8' and Leroy called it VAM-35, later die state. So, I'd assume yes, at least that's what Leroy would say I think. But a trip to Leroy wouldn't hurt.
Edited to add: If I squint, I can kinda see the second chip forming in your coin? the area is discolored.
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Jack: I really can't see signs of any second chip forming (where?), but I can say that there is a lot more stuff inside the lower opening than the photo suggests... there's way more, for instance, than on an 1880-O VAM 4 or 5, or an 1880-S VAM 8 or 9.
<< <i>VamGuy: Can you recall what those three coins sold for? I'd like to add them to the VAMview archives. >>
Don't have data on the raw coin, but the NGC 64 went for $125 on 11/06 to our buddy T.C., and the PCGS 64 went for about $195 on eBay 5/05.
Edited to add: BTW Dennis, do you have any sale/value data on a 1880 VAM 43 in 64?
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<< <i>VamGuy: Can you recall what those three coins sold for? I'd like to add them to the VAMview archives. >>
Don't have data on the raw coin, but the NGC 64 went for $125 on 11/06 to our buddy T.C., and the PCGS 64 went for about $195 on eBay 5/05.
Edited to add: BTW Dennis, do you have any sale/value data on a 1880 VAM 43 in 64? >>
VAMView has one ANACS in 58 that went for $ 150 in August 2006. That's the only sale recorded.
That AU58 is still the only VAM 43 1880 I have record of.
<< <i>Is the 1882 O really as rare as Vamworld tells us? >>
The VAM-17A should be rare as a terminal state of the obverse die. The radial crack should have severely limited the number of strike left in that die pair. That said, I have accumulated a half dozen in 64-65 certified and passed on a couple more. I am either in great with these or something. Just cannot have been many produced. How many survive?
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<< <i>Is the 1882 O really as rare as Vamworld tells us? >>
The VAM-17A should be rare as a terminal state of the obverse die. The radial crack should have severely limited the number of strike left in that die pair. That said, I have accumulated a half dozen in 64-65 certified and passed on a couple more. I am either in great with these or something. Just cannot have been many produced. How many survive? >>
Good points John. The cracks are so bad, the die could nothave lasted very long. It will be interesting if someone ever comes up with the terminal coin. I don't see how the metal could have survived very long with the huge crack on the bottom.
Rick
The 1880 coin you have looks like a VAM 35 with a more heavily eroded die than what is in the VAM book.
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