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What you guys think?

GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
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I am collecting the 1955 bowman set and have a few good cards already, still missing the Mantle. Lately been looking around every where and haven't found a PSA 8 or better bowman for a fair price. Looked on Naxcom and found this one, looks great but the grading company not so sure of.

I really want a '55 Mantle in a 9 and this one looks great but I want to know what you guys think.

1955 Bowman Mantle Naxcom Link

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  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    If I ever were to get that card I'd send it off to PSA for regrade.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What's their return policy?

    The guy wants a fraction of the SMR? Is that correct - he wants 1100 for an 8K card?

    For that kind of dough - why doesn't the seller send it to PSA? His ROI on the cross would be substantial.

    mike
    Mike
  • VolverVolver Posts: 753
    Can someone supersize the picture to get a closer look? Seems to be a decent deal....Naxcom is safer than eBay too...you may have found something here
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭✭
    It LOOKS real nice - however, as Stone says, he'd be leaving a LOT of $ on the table. Purely out of generosity??? - I'd have my doubts!
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It LOOKS real nice - however, as Stone says, he'd be leaving a LOT of $ on the table. Purely out of generosity??? - I'd have my doubts! >>

    That's my point Orig - I would want to have the time to send it to PSA for review.

    There's a good possibility the card's been trimmed and I can't think of a better issue to recolor?

    mike
    Mike
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "For that kind of dough - why doesn't the seller send it to PSA?"

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Sadly, we all know why.

    Happily, none of us have to send the guy money to know the answer.

    image
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Mike
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    NICE!! Thanks for the heads up! I just bought it!!!

    Just joshing...........his name is listed, why not phone him?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt if the card is a PSA 9 - I would be tempted to ask the seller for measurement within 1/32" AND ask if he had any problem with you sending it to PSA for review.

    I'm worried about trimming and recoloring.

    mike

    edit: mikeschmidt is our resident expert on this issue - would be nice if he chimed in.
    Mike
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭
    i'm with stone, seems like a great deal. get it and leave it in the holder. at least it's the better SCD. i'd be more inclined to not cross over if it's already been slabbed. you could probably more than double your money sending it to an auction house, imo.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Also, wasn't wiwag and SCD in cahoots there too? grade and trade or some crap?

    steve
    Good for you.
  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    Should I pay for PSA to review the auction? I think PSA does that...
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    Sports Collectors Digest Authentic was a legitimate grading company.
    Members who have crossed over cards from their holders have generally had decent results (most cards crossed to same grade or 1 grade lower).

    Would you be happy to pay that price for a PSA 8?

    Nick
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    The top and bottom borders look awfully tight. what you wind up with is a problem card. If the card had no problems would it not be in a psa holder getting top dollar?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    Yes, just been eyeing out for this card to complete my set.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Nick

    yes they were, but didn't they go down in that grade and trade fiasco?


    steve
    Good for you.
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    I thought they simply went out of business about 3 years ago from lack of profit (due to lack of submissions).

    Nick
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  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    So I don't know about this one either, getting mixed opinions about it, looks like a PSA 8 to me. But then again some people say trimmed or colored. I hate this part of the hobby, all I want is a legit card and its a 50/50 thing sometimes. If you pay the $$ you should get what you wanted.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nick

    yes they were, but didn't they go down in that grade and trade fiasco?


    steve >>


    Steve

    The only thing I remember about grade n trade - had to do with a company called Real Legends - where PSA graded the cards and then they were to be sold on ebay.

    I want to say that somehow WIWAG sunk Real Legends and they blamed PSA for it?

    Or something like that?
    mike
    Mike
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tough call - seems like a lot of chipping on the top and bottom edges yet the corners are that sharp? Suspicious to me but maybe a gamble at the right price.

    Could have been nicely stored with "loose" rubber bands which would account for the edge chipping but nice corners, but doubtful for a PSA 8 unless you luckily get that late Friday afternoon tired grader who just quickly looks at the corners and gives it an 8...again an interesting gamble.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    The seller is VERY experienced.

    No way he is giving 7K gifts to strangers.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    Well I used to get SCD graded cards WAY WAY long ago and they were good. But when I saw PSA I always used them, thats why I asked if SCD was good any more. Since they don't grade no longer its tough call. Also, the glare on the bottom and top of the card might be the plastic sleeve inside the holder....just maybe? The picture is a little blurry.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,615 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The seller is VERY experienced.

    No way he is giving 7K gifts to strangers. >>




    I didn't look at the auction...in that case...forgetaboutit.
  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭


    << <i>The seller is VERY experienced.

    No way he is giving 7K gifts to strangers. >>



    True but ........still hard to say.

    The buyer just contacted me and said hes willing to accept offers and he will contact me.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "If you pay the $$ you should get what you wanted. "

    //////////////////////////////////////////

    If you pay $8K for one in a PSA holder you will get what you want.

    Listings like this are not a gamble; they are traps set for sharp-shooters.

    Seller has 1600 reported transactions on the site. He knows what he has
    and he knows what it is worth,... and why.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • GonblottGonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    I guess forget it, I'll wait around for eBay or Naxcom PSA 8 or better to show up. Anyone got friends with this card in a PSA 8 or better and that are willing to sell for a fair price? =P
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,615 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"If you pay the $$ you should get what you wanted. "

    //////////////////////////////////////////

    If you pay $8K for one in a PSA holder you will get what you want.

    Listings like this are not a gamble; they are traps set for sharp-shooters.

    Seller has 1600 reported transactions on the site. He knows what he has
    and he knows what it is worth,... and why. >>




    Well spoken. image
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Settlement of Lawsuit

    As previously reported, we were named as a co-defendant in a legal action brought in the Superior Court of California, County of San Diego, by Real Legends, Inc., a seller of sports cards (plaintiff) against When It Was a Game (WIWAG), a sports card dealer that consigned sports cards to plaintiff. In the action, plaintiff was seeking $4 million of compensatory damages alleged to have been sustained by it as a result of certain actions of WIWAG, together with punitive damages. Plaintiff also claimed that, although we were not involved in any of WIWAG’s activities, we were nevertheless responsible for WIWAG’s conduct because, according to plaintiff’s allegations, WIWAG was introduced to plaintiff by one of our employees who allegedly knew of, but failed to disclose, prior incidents of questionable behavior by WIWAG; allegations that we denied.

    In January 2005, without any admission of wrongdoing, we entered into a settlement with plaintiff. Pursuant to that settlement, all of the claims asserted against us by plaintiff were settled and the litigation was terminated, with prejudice, in exchange for which we agreed to make a settlement payment to plaintiff of $600,000, of which $100,000 will be paid, or reimbursed to us, by one of our insurers. As a result, the net cost to us of the settlement was $500,000, which represents 3.1% of our net revenues in the six months ended December 31, 2004.

    Not to go OT here - sorry for the hijack - but wasn't this the company that crashed and burned due to grade and trade Steve?

    PSA made a settlement on the lawsuit.

    mike


    Mike
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Not to go OT here - sorry for the hijack - but wasn't this the company that crashed and burned due to grade and trade Steve?



    yep. I still say the top and bottom looks very suspicious. And like mentioned the seller is seasoned seller. Why does he not just crack it out and submit it to PSA? Even if it came back a 7 he would still get more I would think. Only problems can arise from this deal.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • cravetoppscravetopps Posts: 1,134
    what is that on the bottom, guys? It almost looks like the top of another card to me.
    Mark B.

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>what is that on the bottom, guys? It almost looks like the top of another card to me. >>

    crave

    Is looks like a large amount of chipping to me.

    I don't collect the 55s but I kind of recollect that like the 68T and 70T cards - there's the potential of a printline - I'm assuming it's a printer's guide on the uncut sheet.

    image

    edit: check out the print line on the top e.g.

    mike
    Mike
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    If this thread was titled "55 Bowman manle need advice" marc would chime in. Then we would all know the story behind this card.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    On the bottom at 6;00 It appears wavy. Trimmed?


    steve
    Good for you.
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